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Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by analog31 on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:02AM (#28652840)
Great. Now tell the American bishops to call off the culture war.

Catholics have instructions on how to resolve the dilemma where one candidate supports doctrine A, and the other candidate supports doctrine B. In plain terms, it's basically "choose your battles." This came to light when the dilemma of the day was abortion versus capital punishment and the poor.

Owing largely to the culture war, American Catholics have provided decisive support to the party that calls global warming a hoax. This isn't a political statement on my part, but just a statistical one.

My view is that the Church has quietly held a token position on global warming while concentrating its social influence on other matters. I don't have a definitive answer on this, and could of course be wrong, but choosing the wrong battle is a moral failure.

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by dragonwriter on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:46AM (#28653156)
> Owing largely to the culture war, American Catholics have provided decisive support to the party that calls global warming a hoax.

You’ve maybe been looking at polling data that breaks out White Catholics (but not Catholics as a whole) as a subgroup and not realizing how much work the “White” part is doing. (Though, even there, its only a slight majority of White Catholics that support the Republican Party; while Catholics as a whole have a slight majority supporting the Democratic Party.)

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by bjowen on Saturday September 25, 2021 @10:37PM (#28657969)
Outsider to US religious / politics interface here but the impression from over here is that it’s the Falwell end of the evangelical movement rather than the RC church that has been driving denialism.
Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by ArchStanton on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:17AM (#28652940)
>Owing largely to the culture war, American Catholics have provided decisive support to the party that calls global warming a hoax. This isn't a political statement on my part, but just a statistical one.

Than why are 44% of Catholics Democrat and only 37% Republican?

https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/party-aff...

Methinks your own POV poisons your opinions.

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by analog31 on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:21AM (#28652970)
True, but if they all went Democratic, it would tip the scales considerably. The margins in many regions are a tiny number of percentage points, and the Senate is 50-50 right now. A small percentage, not even a nationwide majority, have given us a heavily biased supreme court.

That's what I mean by decisive support. The Bishops could tip the scales if they were told to. This is about how the Pope could influence the situation.

I don't know how any individual Catholic votes, and both party allegiances and voting patterns are merely crude attempts at getting a statistical foothold on the question.

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by dragonwriter on Saturday September 25, 2021 @10:14AM (#28653389)
> The Bishops could tip the scales if they were told to

No, they couldn't. This is pretty evident on the political issue that the Bishops have most aggressively tried to tell people what stance to take, abortion, where Catholic attitudes are nonetheless split just like the broader country.

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by mbg721 on Saturday September 25, 2021 @12:55PM (#28654538)
The split is different (but apparently not as different as I thought [1]) if you filter for Catholics who attend Mass regularly. Surveys of people who merely identify as Catholic also show that a large percentage do not believe in transubstantiation, one of the most fundamental beliefs of the Church. The Bishops have lots of problems to deal with besides just politics.

[1] https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious...

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by FredPret on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:44AM (#28653139)
Ah, the good old halcyon days when the pope dictated the politics of other nations. Let’s go back to that
Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by ArchStanton on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:35AM (#28653072)
>True, but if they all went Democratic, it would tip the scales considerably.

It would be a tricky thing. You'd have to convince Catholics that Oregon-style abortion law (legal right up until birth) was reasonable and that the normalization of mental illness was desirable (the current rage for transsexuals).

OTOH, as a trans-national organization, I could see shifting the Catholic hierarchy into thinking that unlimited mass immigration to Western countries was desirable. More membership, more souls to save and all that.

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by Zababa on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:50AM (#28653182)
> OTOH, as a trans-national organization, I could see shifting the Catholic hierarchy into thinking that unlimited mass immigration to Western countries was desirable. More membership, more souls to save and all that.

I don't think that's how it works. Churches are usually very "local", and "local" stuff is usually the ones that resists the most immigration.

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by Bobylonian on Saturday September 25, 2021 @10:16AM (#28653394)
>Churches are usually very "local", and "local" stuff is usually the ones that resists the most immigration.

This is not how churches should work and how they work. Religion can't be non-inclusive and accepting poor souls of migrants, regardless of their religion is humanitarian trait which is also considered equivalent of being Christian, according to how Christians are taught. Islam takes inclusion to even higher level and development of non-Arabic identity is considered corruption of religion(exception is to Arabic, because Quran is written in it). They do not take migrants, because migration is another sham and if rich nonIslamic countries have decided to take care of them without requirements to receive this support, then they are only bringing problems upon themselves.

Also, lets not forget that Christianity birthed revolutionaries of Europe(at least in eastern part), as it is impossible to make global terrorists from local minded people, it takes Large idea to start to kill other people in the name of one happy united brotherhood of mankind.

For those who have a hard time understanding what I am refering to - Stalin was studying to be a priest, his comrades of that time and 20 years prior mostly came from very religious Christian families, who were more religious and who shunned local "pagan" traditions more than other people. When people lose roots that are string together with traditions, they start to participate in crazy experiments with themselves and other people.

Re:Pope Francis and Other Christian Leaders Are Calling for ... by ArchStanton on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:55AM (#28653244)
It doesn't seem to me that local populations or organizations have much say in the matter.