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Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by superjan on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:04PM (#28645827)
I absolutely agree that microsoft could and should make this work better. But the pragmatic workaround is the setting to force hibernation when you close the lid. You can resume from SSD in 10 seconds. No middle of the night wakeups. Much improved battery life.
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by Dayshine on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:20PM (#28646020)
My dell xps hibernation doesn't work.

20% of the time it works.

40% of the time it won't wake and I have to kill it (screen stays dark even though keyboard indicates it is awake)

30% of the time it just immediately wakes

10% of the time it wakes at like 2am and power cycles my monitor every 30 seconds waking me up

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by YeGoblynQueenne on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:19PM (#28647337)
>> 10% of the time it wakes at like 2am and power cycles my monitor every 30 seconds waking me up

My thinkpad does the same. Wtf is up with that?

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by GekkePrutser on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:49PM (#28647635)
My Mac did that too but I tracked it to Wake on LAN, some random probes from other equipment were walking it up sometimes.
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by oauea on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:15PM (#28648407)
What kind of evil IoT crapware is sending WoL packets to random devices on the network?
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by GekkePrutser on Saturday September 25, 2021 @06:00PM (#28656559)
It wasn't actual WoL. It was broadcasts. For some reason it woke the Mac up when WoL was switched on. We're taking 2015 or so so I don't have the packet logs anymore but I was able to replicate it by resending them.

So the fault is really the Mac's. It should only accept real well formed WoL packets with its own Mac address.

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by superjan on Saturday September 25, 2021 @05:33AM (#28651772)
OK, from the comments I read so far I realize that I may have been lucky with an older laptop. And I did not mention that I also turned off wake timers, realized that now. If this does not work on modern hardware that’s a real bummer.
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by zeven7 on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:07PM (#28647214)
I'll back you up on this. I tried the trick to switch to hibernate, but it actually got worse for me than my problems with sleep.
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by drw85 on Friday September 24, 2021 @03:05PM (#28646551)
In my case it also messes with many internal devices like webcam, USB etc.

Half the time i have to reboot to make those work again.

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by alexeiz on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:07PM (#28647208)
The funny thing is that the "modern standby" was supposed to improve the wakeup time from a couple of seconds to a faction of a second. But effectively it turned the wakeup into 10 seconds because you have to disable the modern standby and use hibernate instead.
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by nikau on Saturday September 25, 2021 @12:12AM (#28650464)
The whole idea of modern standby is brain dead.

My laptop isn't a cellphone, I don't need it periodically waking up to check emails or whatever, it can do it when I open the lid.

Thankfully my laptop has an option to force S3 only in the bios.

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by fsckboy on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:18PM (#28645991)
TFA says that hibernation is problematic for putting your computer into your bag. I understand what you mean by hibernation, and while it should not cause a problem... that's what the link says
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by londons_explore on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:22PM (#28646038)
When windows is hibernated, if a scheduled task is set for a specific time, it will use the hardware wake-up feature to turn on the machine and run the scheduled task.

Windows has a lot of 3am scheduled tasks for all kinds of random stuff (disk defrag, various update checks, etc). Any of those can cause the system to reawaken.

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by docmars on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:46PM (#28646324)
I had to do this with my ASUS Zephyrus G14 because it's an AMD-based machine and doesn't support a true Standby mode anyway. It's not the greatest coming from the Mac ecosystem where Sleep basically just works (well, most of the time, High Sierra screwed up a lot of things around that).

To my knowledge, it hasn't woken up without my input and Hibernate doesn't eat the battery alive while it's asleep.

Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by hadlock on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:45PM (#28647600)
The problem with this is, you can force the laptop to use other sleep modes, but either a) dell disables those modes entirely in the BIOS b) windows update resets the sleep mode
Re:Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mo... by pitterpatter on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:18PM (#28648423)
That won't always save you, there have definitely been bugs where it tries to hibernate but gets stuck