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Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by implements on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:16AM (#28642706)
Off-topic, but do you always use the “sex identifying” construction in place of “men / women”? - it seems a bit inelegant, and if you hold “TWAW” as true also unnecessary.

Not intended as snarky, but I was slightly jarred by the ACLU’s removal of the word “woman” from a Ruth Bader Ginsburg quote yesterday, and wondered whether this was now ‘a thing’ (at least in the US).

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by corobo on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:24AM (#28642849)
Just trying to be inclusive tbh

I try to remove gender references in all of my comments, but in this instance it was relevant so I went with the most inclusive option I could think of

No idea if that's a thing for you folks, I'm in the UK. I'd have to look up ACLU to see what it stands for

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by robbedpeter on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:51AM (#28643227)
Should probably just use "men" and "women", boys and girls, unless otherwise necessary, for clarity and simplicity. Someone offended by a lack of preemptive qualifying verbiage is not worth placating. If they ask for different words, you can add them in later conversation.

Preemptively tacking on qualifiers can bury the actual meaning of the idea you're trying to communicate.

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by corobo on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:58AM (#28643337)
Can or did? I'd rather placate the people that want to be involved than placate those that would exclude them, even if that is what is happening.

If I'm doing that wrong, I'll change my ways. e.g the person saying that it hints towards folks not being men or women if they have transitioned and we use different words which is a fair point, I'll have to look into that.

As for losing the meaning of my comment - A lot of my comments get downvoted because I'm crap at getting an idea down without editing it (we're on the 5th edit as I write). That is nothing new.

If my comment is meaningless give it a downvote

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by ASalazarMX on Friday September 24, 2021 @11:30AM (#28643766)
Wouldn't it be detrimental if the topic was sex? you'd have to specify "female-identifying people born with a vagina".

I'm not kidding, recently I read advice for lube for "people born with a vagina".

Sex is not gender, it's detrimental for communication to mix the two.

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by everybodyknows on Friday September 24, 2021 @12:54PM (#28644949)
Related, from recent news: It’s now possible to read articles of several hundred words length on abortion without finding a single instance of the words “woman” or “women”.

“… before many people know that they are pregnant.”

“… pregnant patients …”

https://www.texastribune.org/2021/09/09/texas-abortion-ban-f...

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by corobo on Friday September 24, 2021 @11:40AM (#28643918)
Two people have said it is detrimental to communication so far yet nobody has requested any form of clarification on what I said

If anything my frequent lack of punctuation needs correcting first, that has caused infinitely more confusion. Weirdly in 20 years of forum use I've never had anyone start a discussion about it.. :)

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by ASalazarMX on Friday September 24, 2021 @02:29PM (#28646118)
Just as with punctuation, the intended meaning is clear within context. I knew the article was about women, but reading "female-identifying people" made me do a double take.

I don't question trans women were included too, but your phrasing made me doubt if this Tiktoker's audience was mainly trans women.

Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by nickthegreek on Friday September 24, 2021 @03:03PM (#28646526)
Your comment is easily understood and needs no further editing. I have been working on being more inclusive and appreciate seeing examples on how its done.
Re:Teenager on TikTok Disrupted Thousands of Scientific Stud... by greyivy on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:46AM (#28643160)
Your mindfulness is appreciated!