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Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by paxys on Friday September 24, 2021 @03:32AM (#28639584)
I don't think people realize just how expensive and congested these networks were back in the day. Phone calls cost what they did because capacity was a real constraint. It's not that they were all ethical businessmen doing a public service as the article makes them out to be (some old business tactics of AT&T, Standard Oil, American Tobacco etc. would make the most ruthless big tech exec of today blush). They simply could not conceive of a business model where customers could use their service 24x7 because it was impossible to provide it.

You don't even have to go all the way back to the 70s or 80s to see this. We used to pay by the minute for dial up internet and cell phone calls well into the 00s.

The "all you can eat" business model — whether ad-supported or for a fixed monthly fee — is a very recent invention, and is only possible because of massive improvements to the underlying infrastructure (fiber, LTE, cheap servers).

Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by ridaj on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:50AM (#28640015)
I believe AT&T long subsidized its local operations with revenue from long distance operations. This took advantage of businesses' higher willingness to pay for long-distance in order to subsidize local access networks (as opposed to reinvesting all the long distance profits into more long distance capacity). It stopped not just because of capacity increases but because the govt created the incentive for competition in long distance, and imposed a ramp-down of the local access subsidy. When ISPs allowed ordinary people to finally communicate with the world without paying huge rates, AT&T successor companies fought hard in the 90s for Internet dialup to be treated like "interstate calls" because they made more money on them that way. If we were living in AT&T's internet, we'd pay more to access the websites that are far away, not because it costs more, but because business customers are willing to pay enough for it that it makes it more profitable than giving it for less to consumers.
Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by djweis on Saturday September 25, 2021 @09:06AM (#28652865)
I have a book that covers this in great detail - The Deal of the Century. You're correct that long distance subsidized local service.
Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by fragmede on Friday September 24, 2021 @07:22AM (#28640951)
Interesting to consider how CDNs would work in that world!
Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by rasz on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:55AM (#28643300)
Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by ridaj on Friday September 24, 2021 @10:19AM (#28642763)
Like 800 (toll-free) numbers. The business would pay AT&T for the privilege of being accessible everywhere for the price of a local call.
Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by B1FF_PSUVM on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:58AM (#28640790)
> how expensive and congested these networks were back in the day.

And the reason for that is that basically you needed a wire connecting from one phone to another: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_switching

On the way to modern day digital packet switching (where you just send the bits for millions of connections down massive capacity pipes) there was multiplexing, etc. but it was a long and hard road.

Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by yftsui on Friday September 24, 2021 @04:13AM (#28639806)
Fiber is the most amazing invention from last century. Want to see what it was like in the 00s? Visit Yellowstone and stay inside for a night, during busy hours even phone calls are prioritized.
Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by zxcvbn4038 on Friday September 24, 2021 @05:14AM (#28640171)
I remember a business trip to NYC in the early ‘90s, I got settled and dialed in to do some work, and after thirty minutes I started getting visits every ten minutes from the receptionist, concierge, and a maintenance worker who came as a group to “fix” my off the hook phone. This went on for several hours before they gave up. They never admitted it but I suspect the hotel only had 2-3 phone lines. Not soon after when I moved there I remember initially it cost ten cents each to make a local call.

Everything in NYC at the time was cash-only and metered. No refills on drinks. Ketchup packs were are a quarter each. I never saw so many hands out except for India. The people were much nicer in India, in NYC it was more your classic Klingon style “Buy something or die!”

Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by drvdevd on Friday September 24, 2021 @03:53AM (#28639697)
I do often think of smartphones as being an extended, new age version of the payphone and I guess after reading this - the ATT equipment. Since you don't really own the device it is very similar in a sense. It feels like the same model with the capacity just shifted around...
Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by hellbannedguy on Friday September 24, 2021 @06:52AM (#28640754)
It seemed like it was a few months after the government broke up the telephone monopoly; prices dropped dramitatcilly.

I know this on a personal level.

I had a crazy friend in college who thought BHT (the preservative) could cure AIDS.

His phone bill was $350-500/month. He would call researchers around the country, even Dr. Fauci. (Fauci actually listened to him once, until he found out he didn't have any credentials.) He once called France to speak with a researcher at work, over Rock Hudson's treatment. The small business owner came in steaming. He said, "Who called France. The call cost me $500.00!"

Everyone was complaining about long distance charges.

It literally seemed like in was a few months after the breakup, and long distance calls were dirt cheap.

(It might have been longer than months, but it felt that way. It was then I realized the important antitrust laws, and how monopolies need to be slapped down.)

Re:If AT&T Had Managed the Phone Business Like Google by BrandoElFollito on Friday September 24, 2021 @08:37AM (#28641518)
In France the company Free (internet), and then Free Mobile (mobile telvo) made revolutions by ultra cheap prices.

The heavy ISPs went to the government literally crying that it will break their business and they will lay off thousand of people.

They were sent away, wiped their tears and changed the price of a mobile contract from 80 to 10€.

They are still there and the customer is happy