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Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by SamBam on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:33AM (#28628869)
It is a big deal, though. Getting to the interview is the first hurdle.

There have been several variations of a famous study where they sent identical resumes to hundreds of companies, with the single change that there was a stereotypical "white" name vs "Black" name at the top.

The studies consistently find that the "white" names get far more call backs.

Granted, those studies were in the US, but I'd be very surprised if a similar effect did not show up in most European countries.

Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by systemvoltage on Thursday September 23, 2021 @11:56AM (#28630987)
It’s also not just race but beautiful people, especially with symmetric facial features are subconscious biases that presumably plays a role. I don’t know if there are studies around this, I’d bet there would be a huge bias.

Photos are completely unnecessary and mostly nuisance IMO.

Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by Cenk on Thursday September 23, 2021 @01:37PM (#28632432)
Yep, they did studies in Germany with German sounding names and Turkish sounding names: https://www.zeit.de/gesellschaft/2010-02/studie-bewerber-aus...
Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by kleiba on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:01AM (#28629275)
Note that these studies were done with resumes without photos. You don't need a picture to be biased.
Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by SamBam on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:07AM (#28629358)
Right, exactly. The name alone was enough.
Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by ktkoffroth on Thursday September 23, 2021 @12:01PM (#28631052)
Who says the picture would have the same affect? What if it turns out there's less racial bias when a picture is added?
Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by xyzelement on Thursday September 23, 2021 @12:17PM (#28631272)
This is a really good point, one I hadn't throught about. What if the name creates a bias because it conjures up an image that is nothing like the person - while their picture "undoes" that.

Not saying I necessarily believe that happens, but I really appreciate the logic of your point/question.

Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by SamBam on Thursday September 23, 2021 @02:02PM (#28632753)
While it's worth pointing out the limits of our knowledge, I wonder why you appear to think it's just as likely that the photo will eliminate the racial bias? If studies have shown that a black-sounding name means fewer jobs, I would think the default hypothesis, until proven otherwise, would be that a black photo would result in the same ends.

Thinking that it might as well go the other way seems to imply that there's just something weird about names, and that people don't really have racial biases. But this charitable view of the world has been shown false time and again.

In any case, a version of the study with live people, instead of photos, has also been done, and, not surprisingly, shown the same result:

> Other studies have also examined race and employment. In a 2009 study, Devah Pager, Bruce Western and Bart Bonikowski, all now sociologists at Harvard, sent actual people to apply for low-wage jobs. They were given identical résumés and similar interview training. Their sobering finding was that African-American applicants with no criminal record were offered jobs at a rate as low as white applicants who had criminal records.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/04/upshot/the-measuring-stic...

Re:Show HN: Resume maker with no sign-up or subscription by z3ncyberpunk on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:47AM (#28629066)
Always beware 'studies' and 'experts'...