Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by retrac on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:21AM
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Most of Motorola's devices are unlockable, too. I run LinegeOS without Google tools on an $80 discount model from a few years ago.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by mixedCase on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:30AM
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Xiaomi phones are the gold standard of price/performance where I live and their bootloader can be unlocked.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by kibwen on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:44AM
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Obligatory reminder of the state surveillance and censorship baked into Xiaomi products: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28616683
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by GravitasFailure on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:17AM
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If you can swap the device OS with something more trustworthy, does any of that matter or is there evidence that the hardware itself is untrustworthy?
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by summm on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:38PM
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It is not only about hardware. Lineageos re-uses binaries from the original image. The modem still runs original binaries. The bootloader is also original. Plenty of space to hide backdoors, possibly disguised as bugs.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by GravitasFailure on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:46PM
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Oh, I knew the modem issue but not that they were reusing binaries. Thanks.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by ghuin on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:54AM
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Premium features, premium price point.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by randalluk on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:01AM
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Are you content that full ownership of the device is a "premium feature"?
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by krzyk on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:07AM
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Think of it the opposite way.
All other devices are subsidized to be just an advertising platform for their producer. Real prices of devices are those that you consider "premium".
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by 5e92cb50239222b on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:07AM
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So privacy is a premium feature now, that should only be available to developed societies? Okay.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by seniorivn on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:24AM
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that's not how it should be, that's how it is. The only way cheaper devices are so cheap is by cutting all the corners they can, and turns out one of the corners people don't care to be cut is their privacy and security
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by NoThisIsMe on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:46AM
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Is locking the bootloader cutting corners though? Sounds like an extra step to me.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by seniorivn on Sunday September 26, 2021 @08:50AM
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locking bootloader is a way to prevent you from undercutting their spyware.
if there is a spyware, than it is a part of their business model, and every user that got away is a drop in revenue. But their targeted users don't mind to be spied on.
Re:Google shifting to “upstream first” Linux kernel approach...
by selfhoster11 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:50AM
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How in the world is this a premium feature? It's a piece of software that can be written once (and only once), with the cost amortized between all OEMs.
This isn't always possible or realistic. The cheapest Pixel phone is worth 2+ median monthly salaries in my location.