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Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:06AM (#28627601)
I love Lower Decks. It's definitely mocking and lampshading plenty of Star Trek tropes, but it does that in a playful and positive way. It laughs, but doesn't trivialize - and unlike the other new shows (Discovery, Picard), it doesn't paint the future as grimdark and everyone as untrustworthy and bloodthirsty.
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by hef19898 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:08AM (#28628026)
Picard wasn't too bad actually, I think. Maybe a tad to gritty / realistic when compared to TNG. It did offer a plausible universe development so, incl. Picard sacrificing his career for principle.
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:36AM (#28629756)
I feel DS9 pulled off realism better - Picard seems to me to fly past realism and straight into dystopian stereotypes. And there was too much meaningless killing.

I'm also pissed about the Borg subplot - in the trailer and initial episodes, they set up the scene for some amazing drama and deep storytelling, and then they just literally crashed it into a planet and discarded like space trash. It was a huge letdown to me.

Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by hef19898 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:49AM (#28629954)
I honestly believed that the AI-gods were the creators / origin if the Borg. DS9 is quite a high bar to be measured against, so. Just shy of Babylon 5 for that period in my mind.
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:52AM (#28630014)
Right. B5 is a masterpiece.
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by dragonwriter on Thursday September 23, 2021 @12:34PM (#28631500)
> Picard seems to me to fly past realism and straight into dystopian stereotypes

The “dystopian stereotypes” in Picard seem to me to be classic Trek with a very slight change of focus (largely in dwelling in aspects of the setting and social contexts which were indicated in other parts of the franchise but only briefly or tangentially interacted with.)

Kind of like what Lower Decks does, but in a different direction (and played for drama rather than laughs.)

Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by toyg on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:11AM (#28628580)
Picard was aimed at people who were teenagers or twentysomethings at the time of TNG, and 30 years later are now disillusioned adults. It had to be "all grown up and shit". I found it pretty good, if occasionally predictable.
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by hef19898 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:38AM (#28628934)
So I am the target audiance then. Especially since I consideres TNG to be too optimistic already as a teenager.
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:28AM (#28629643)
I guess I'm not the target audience then - I was a kid when TNG was created, and on the lower end of teenage years when it aired in my country. I bought the optimism wholesale - hook, line and sinker. It had significant influence on my development as a person. As much as I'm disillusioned about the real world, TNG is in my heart a reminder that we could do better. And I feel the first step to do better is for the idea to be out there.

So here's me hoping that in 5-10 years time, I'll fall into their "target audience" window and they'll make an inspiring, positive show for people like me.

Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by hef19898 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:45AM (#28629888)
I am also a Star Wars fan, and Battletech. Star Wars wise, I loved TIE Fighter. So I guess I always had a leaning towards darker, less otimistic SiFi. Still watch TNG, DS9 and ENT so. Even VOY from time to time. Not sure I'll do that with PIC once I've seen the episodes once. Not sure if that is due to the episodic story telling of the former or nostalgia.
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by toyg on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:50AM (#28629110)
And you didn't hate it, so - job done :)
Re:Sid Meier and the meaning of ‘Civilization’ by hef19898 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @09:52AM (#28629147)
Yeah, funny isn't it? Not that I'll complain, so. Give me more content like that!