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Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by amelius on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:30AM (#28626994)
Can't we have protocol-agnostic cables?

I mean, we use hundreds of different protocols over-the-air, so why can't we do the same with cables?

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by harvie on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:50AM (#28627124)
3.5mm headphone jack with hole drilled in midle carrying optical fiber would handle all use cases i can imagine. From delivering power, charging phones to connecting several 8K monitors. multiple protocols can use separate wavelengths of light, all at once in single fiber. Hundreds of gigabits are possible, maybe more, depending on the length. While still being able to connect wired headphones.
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by londons_explore on Thursday September 23, 2021 @06:23AM (#28627332)
I'd support this.

The sockets would need some work for decent power transfer - it needs to do at least the 150 watts that USB-C can do, and preferably 150 kwatts for charging a car.

For 150 watts while maintaining backwards compatibility, all that's needed is larger contact area (curved spring clips) to support 3 amps and the use of 48 volts after negotiation.

For 150 kilowatts we'd be talking some cutting edge stuff, but not beyond the realms of possibility. Specifically, you'd probably need to use voltages up to 20,000 volts, 10 amps, which is going to mean you need to have mating and sealing rubber isolators on both plug and socket at least 3mm thick between poles. At these voltages, you cannot have air between the pins, so it must be a hermetic seal. You'd also need to measure leakage current and keep the cable capacitance low enough that when someone cuts through the cable with scissors the voltage can be dropped in microseconds to prevent zapping them.

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by amelius on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:35AM (#28627791)
Charging a car over a 3.5mm headphone jack, that would certainly be worthy of a HN post ...
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by londons_explore on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:55AM (#28628421)
The engineer in me says I want to quit my job and spend the next 6 months and $100k prototyping a 3.5mm compatible jack that can charge a car, and safe even when licked by toddlers, underwater, full of grit, and cut with powertools...

But the business person tells me that even if I could do it and make it safe enough to use, there is zero chance any big company would license the tech.

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by emteycz on Thursday September 23, 2021 @01:10PM (#28632038)
No, but I'd jump at the opportunity to build my startup around your tech
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by londons_explore on Thursday September 23, 2021 @03:08PM (#28633753)
If your startup has funding...
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by PeterisP on Monday September 27, 2021 @06:46PM (#28677047)
Cost of connectors matters. Manufacturers wouldn't want to put expensive optics adapters for every need where a cheap connector would suffice.
Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by amelius on Thursday September 23, 2021 @05:57AM (#28627168)
Yes, and superimpose signals on the power connection, I suppose.

The only problem I see with this is that fiber optic cables are physically less robust (you can't bend them as much).

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by londons_explore on Thursday September 23, 2021 @06:25AM (#28627352)
fiber optics are pretty robust to bending, as long as you're happy to suffer lost light.

Pretty much, if you bend it too much, your connection will slow down temporarily till you straighten it again. That seems like a fine tradeoff.

Industrial fiber systems usually used fixed speed, so too much bending leads to a total failure of the connection - hence the strict bend limits on fibers.

Re:EU plans to force OEMs to use a common charger for all ph... by akvadrako on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:19AM (#28627682)
USB-C is protocol-agnostic. In alt-mode the extra wires can be used for HDMI, DisplayPort, PCIe, analog audio, or anything else really.

You can also put whatever voltage that can be physically handled over the power pins after negotiating with the other side. USB-PD is the common standard but it can be extended.