Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by cortesoft on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @11:03PM
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That is assuming that there is an elastic supply of needed materials. There may be bottlenecks in supplies that drive costs up.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by beerandt on Thursday September 23, 2021 @12:54AM
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Is it easier to keep a city of 10k or 100k disease free? If both get "contaminated", which is the bigger cost?
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by fighterpilot on Thursday September 23, 2021 @01:32AM
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That's a false analogy. 10 separate factories in their example would be 10 separate cities each with 10k people, not 1 large city with 100k people.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by beerandt on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:59AM
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That's not how you reach economies of scale.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by fighterpilot on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:05AM
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We all know that. Their point was that you get linear scaling using that approach, which disproves the notion that you can't get linear scaling.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by beerandt on Tuesday September 28, 2021 @01:41PM
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Linear scaling of any project large enough to disrupt an industry (as is being suggested here) is a pipe dream.
When you are trying to scale up something that big, you eventually get beyond economies of scale for the required infrastructure and feedstock, and as a result, increase overall demand, which raises prices.
You only get near-linear scaling for a very short, initial "ramp-up" period.
Beyond that, you start cornering markets, which makes prices spike, not decrease or even hold steady.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by tablespoon on Thursday September 23, 2021 @02:51AM
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>> A ten times larger facility would cost more than ten times as much to run.
> This is an impossibility. You can just build ten smaller factories to scale up and get at least a linear gain.
No it isn't. Your "solution" is a different thing. A collection of smaller facilities is not the same thing as a larger facility.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by willis936 on Thursday September 23, 2021 @07:37AM
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You can have a large facility with 10,000 automated lines.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by tablespoon on Thursday September 23, 2021 @10:58AM
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> You can have a large facility with 10,000 automated lines.
Read the article. IIRC, it's talking about the limits of how large you can practically scale a clean room.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by im3w1l on Thursday September 23, 2021 @08:03AM
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Environmentalists often have a bias for small scale operation. They just really like the idea of everyone having their own bioreactor in their closet powered by their own rooftop solar panels. I think it may be simply an aesthetic preference that they then try to rationalize, facts be damned.
Re:Lab-grown meat may never be cost-competitive enough to di...
by Jensson on Wednesday September 22, 2021 @09:25PM
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It depends, if they share some facilities with other functions that pay parts of the bills then those parts wont scale up. Like lets say you rent out part of your capacity to a nearby lab that pay research lab money for it, that could cover most of their expenses for a small facility. I wouldn't be surprised if that is how they are running things right now.
This is an impossibility. You can just build ten smaller factories to scale up and get at least a linear gain. No economics of scale just means that you can't get much better than linear, but in nearly all cases you at least get linear scaling.