This is fine if the person saying it is the only one involved. Unfortunately, there are many in that community - for example children not yet of age - who have absolutely no say in the matter. Thus it's incumbent on people like us to at least try to help them. QED.

Children aren't really victims of Covid aside from their parents being affected maybe and the restriction put on them.

If Covid impacted the general population the same way it did kids, this would be over by now. We know who the vulnerable people are, and almost all of them are over 50. I don't think that's the best way to approach the issue.

Fundamental freedoms can be dangerous. This is something that's hard to admit for people who've never experienced the more real side of life, the people who haven't stared death in the eye before.

Patrick Henry was not the only person involved when he made his declaration. Many people died, due in part to his words. Life is nasty, hard, and has a 100% mortality rate.

Let me put it this way: would becoming a full police state be worth it to you, if it eliminated Covid? No? Where's the line?

Sure, Delta is more transmissible, but it's not more deadly, as far as any metrics have been able to tell.

The story I've heard is Delta isn't any more deadly to the over 50 crowd, but it's definitely more deadly to the under 50 crowd. I understand there's been a surge of younger adults going to the hospitals and ICUs and young children are filling up the children's hospitals. I suspect the younger people respond better to treatment, but I don't have any stats to reinforce that suspicion. Even so, they're filling hospitals and there have already been cases where people having non-Covid related issues have died while trying to find a hospital able to admit them. It's a mess.

That story isn't backed up by any numbers I've seen.

> Life is nasty, hard, and has a 100% mortality rate.

The same is true of rabies. Say what you actually mean.

I'm saying what I mean. Death happens. Doing everything possible to stop death infringes on basic human rights. Where's the line?

I have, and very clearly at that.