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Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by sneak on Sunday September 19, 2021 @07:46AM (#28583575)
I think "Linux Desktop" means something other than "a computer running the Linux kernel that runs desktop applications".

ChromeOS is as much a Linux computer as is a Tesla automobile. Sure, there's a linux kernel down in there somewhere, but it's not the thing we mean when we say "Linux Desktop".

Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by II2II on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:28AM (#28583785)
I am going to disagree.

As far as I can tell, Chrome OS is the Linux desktop and the GNU user space. The user space may not be exposed by default, but it is there. It may not be considered complete by those who expect compilers and X to be installed by default, but those tools can be installed since the underlying infrastructure is in place. It is not another Android where, as far as I can tell, very little of the GNU user space is in place.

Having to switch into developer mode (on older Chrome OS devices) or run Linux applications is a sandboxed environment is beside the point. These are just a security model layered on top of the OS.

Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by Darmody on Sunday September 19, 2021 @07:49AM (#28583591)
Linux Desktop means Linux being a good Windows alternative on your computer.
Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by pjmlp on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:08AM (#28583694)
Which basically means being able to have a GNU userspace, which neither Android nor ChromeOS do.

On Android, Linux kernel is an implementation detail not exposed to userspace APIs as official stable APIs, even for basic stuff like bluetooth or accessing files outside the sandbox, Java APIs have to be used.

Then on the ChromeOS side, not all Chromebooks support Linux based applications, and even that is actually a design similar to WSL 2, by running it into another VM on top of the Linux kernel used by ChromeOS.

Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by sneak on Sunday September 19, 2021 @07:51AM (#28583603)
Interesting sidenote: both ChromeOS devices and iOS devices (and, to some extent, macs), as well as all consoles, are sold as single bundled hardware+software integrated products.

There's very little computing done where the hardware is not designed with the software in mind and vice versa.

The days of "software x running on hardware platform y" might be behind us for the majority of the planet's population.

Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by quantumsolace on Sunday September 19, 2021 @07:59AM (#28583641)
Already is. There must be more smartphones and tablet users than personal computer users in the world. Simply because a person who use a PC but doesn't have a smartphone (hyper nerds like Stallman, or ppl who have very particular jobs that give them the freedom not to have a smartphone) are outnumbered by those who have a tablet or smartphone but not a PC (my 94 year old grandma)
Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by sneak on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:13AM (#28583713)
The majority of smartphones, I believe, can have other software loaded on to them, if the user so desires.
Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by Darmody on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:15AM (#28583720)
Yes, but most of the time you're bound to proprietary blobs or some things won't work.
Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by quantumsolace on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:16AM (#28583725)
True, but consider that the vast majority of Android users have no clue how to do that.
Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by smackeyacky on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:29AM (#28583788)
This already happened for most developers who are the last real users of PCs.

WSL is microsoft giving up. Other users dont really need PCs any more, you just use a phone or a web browser.

Re:Is 2021 the Year of the Linux Desktop? by Darmody on Sunday September 19, 2021 @08:37AM (#28583836)
I don't know if WSL is Microsoft giving up or Canonical. It just gives people an excuse or a reason to use Windows.