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Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by eptcyka on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:41AM (#28563177)
Mind you, these are not colleges, these are universities. Colleges are not as highly esteemed in the UK.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by jna_sh on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:57AM (#28563319)
The two most common usages of “college” in UK education are:

  - pre-university education for 16-18 year olds. This is where you complete qualifications for university entry, such as A Levels, Scottish Highers, or the IB, as well as more vocationally aligned qualifications like BTEC or NVQ. This stage of education used to be optional but recently became compulsory.
  - institutions within a larger university umbrella. This includes the colleges of Oxford, Cambridge and Durham. For example, Jesus College of the University of Oxford or Magdalene College of the University of Cambridge. Very few UK universities use a college system, it is mostly a historical legacy seen in very old universities.
Another reply mentions Imperial College London: many of the London universities are colleges of the University of London, but I think this system is mostly so they can share/issue one University of London degree, and that they don’t have the same degree of centralised administration that the Oxbridge college system does.

EDIT: updated to reflect that A levels aren’t the only pre-university qualification in the UK

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by blitzar on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:21AM (#28563507)
> Another reply mentions Imperial College London

I guess it was cited as this is a fairly elite forum and it is a fairly elite university. Imperial actially left the University of London system and now issues its own degrees (left in 2007).

It doesnt actually change the point above, but just a corrections all the same.

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by arethuza on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:00AM (#28563340)
"UK education"

Nitpick: not all of the UK uses A-levels.

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by jna_sh on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:07AM (#28563386)
Apologies, a good nitpick! Particularly since the thread is for St Andrews so the Scottish Highers are definitely worth mentioning :)

The international baccalaureate is also becoming more widely available.

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by blitzar on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:24AM (#28563524)
I thought the international baccalaureate would take over from the old a-levels system years ago. Still hasnt really gained as much traction as I would have expected.

Probably sounds too french.

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by Jensson on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:05AM (#28563375)
They are both colleges and universities by US terminology. For example Harvard is both a college and university, the undergrad part is the college part.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by bencollier49 on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:44AM (#28563207)
They're basically a different thing in the UK, I think. At the risk of stereotyping, they're where you go to get vocational qualifications (further, as opposed to higher, education).
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by raesene9 on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:08AM (#28563394)
There is a slight naming clash though, for some institutions such as Cambridge and Oxford, where Cambridge university (for example) is made up of a number of colleges https://map.cam.ac.uk/colleges/

This is not the same as an independent institution which is a college (for example Cambridge regional college https://www.camre.ac.uk/)

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by bencollier49 on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:11AM (#28563424)
Good point. The collegiate universities are a different matter.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by jna_sh on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:02AM (#28563350)
Not necessarily, vocational qualifications in the U.K. (the NVQ) are often available at sixth-form colleges, but they will also teach the non-vocational A-level qualifications too. I don’t think there’s any consistency to what mix of vocational vs non-vocational certificate you can expect at an institution based on use of the word college.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by cinntaile on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:45AM (#28563215)
Imperial College London has a pretty good rep, no? Even when compared to most universities in the UK?
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by acta_non_verba on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:55AM (#28563297)
Imperial college is just a part of the university of London.

Like many words in the UK, sometimes “college” is used in a more historical meaning

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by foldr on Friday September 17, 2021 @06:00AM (#28563344)
Imperial College is not part of the University of London (it left in 2007).

In any case, the ‘University of London’ is an almost meaningless umbrella institution. Its members function as separate universities for all practical purposes.

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by cinntaile on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:59AM (#28563335)
It's not a part of the university of London anymore.

But this is semantics really, apparently the GP meant a very specific type of college but didn't communicate this and colleges that are universities under the hood aren't part of that unstated definition.

Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by n4r9 on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:53AM (#28563284)
Despite its name, it is considered a university.
Re:For the first time in history, St Andrews outranks Oxbridge by johnday on Friday September 17, 2021 @05:51AM (#28563271)
To be precise, colleges are usually sixth-form colleges for 16-18 year olds.