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Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by Kiro on Thursday September 16, 2021 @02:30AM (#28548739)
Yeah, these professors and researchers are clueless. The true experts are random people on Hacker News.
Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by Aachen on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:59AM (#28549226)
It wouldn't be the first time research lives in its own little bubble, (dis)proving something different from what the world wanted to know. Here, they looked into X (antibody presence) and people make it into Y (corona protection), so then yeah commenters have remarks.

Edit: I read the paper and it just speaks of humoral immunity. Wikipedia:

> Humoral immunity is the aspect of immunity that is mediated by macromolecules found in extracellular fluids such as secreted antibodies, complement proteins, and certain antimicrobial peptides.

Antibodies I'll get to below. Complement proteins and antimicrobial peptides links go to articles saying they're part of the innate immune system (covid protection is done by the adaptive immune system if I understand it correctly). So antibodies is the relevant part:

> Together with B and T cells, antibodies comprise the most important part of the adaptive immune system. They occur in two forms: one that is attached to a B cell, and the other, a soluble form, that is unattached and found in extracellular fluids such as blood plasma. Initially, all antibodies are of the first form, attached to the surface of a B cell – these are then referred to as B-cell receptors (BCR). After an antigen binds to a BCR, the B cell activates to proliferate and differentiate into either plasma cells, which secrete soluble antibodies with the same paratope, or memory B cells, which survive in the body to enable long-lasting immunity to the antigen.

So B cells (well, some but not all) are responsible for long-term immunity, distinct from antibody levels. An antibody (further up the article) is a Y-shaped cell with receptors on the tips which it uses to bind to and thereby tag pathogens for other parts of the immune system to deal with or to neutralize it directly.

So it doesn't sound to me like the paper talks about how long vaccination has an effect, just how long the Y-shaped receptors are in the blood for. This is the so-manyth research I've seen looking at antibodies rather than memory cells. I'd be curious why, but either way it's an incomplete way of looking at protection.

Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by rob74 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:44AM (#28549150)
I doubt that the professors and researchers are clueless, but I'm not so sure about the people writing articles based on this research. And even these people might not be clueless, they might simply be willing to sacrifice accuracy to get a better headline...
Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by ghuin on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:25AM (#28549054)
If this pandemic has taught us anything is that professors and researchers are as clueless as the average online commenter.
Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by mdp2021 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @04:20AM (#28549327)
Or that communication, journalism and divulgation (explaining to the layman) are immensely inadequate in their current common forms.
Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by Kiro on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:14AM (#28550277)
What makes you saying this any better than an antivaxxer saying it?
Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by KarlKemp on Thursday September 16, 2021 @04:35AM (#28549401)
If that's all you learnt from the pandemic, the professors and researchers have beaten you by orders of magnitudes, again.
Re:Losing Covid-19 antibody immunity after six months after ... by toyg on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:10AM (#28548963)
The modern web in a nutshell: "We've had enough of so-called 'experts', we know better!".