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Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:50PM (#28547758)
> In short, yeah, I'm having a hard time buying any comparison between Doom and Facebook.

That's kind of my point: The tech community can relate to Doom in the context of their own childhoods because we grew up with it. Adults can't relate to Instagram in the context of childhoods because that came after our time. So without first-hand experience, they substitute whatever feels correct, as prompted by hyperbolic articles like this one.

Every generation thinks the way they grew up was correct, while subsequent social changes are bad. There has always been moral panic about what "kids these days" are doing, from social media to video games to portable music players to watching TV and so on.

It was the exact same story with video game violence: Adults at the time didn't grow up with video games, so they assumed the worst. Politicians and news media stepped in to seed the most dramatic possible interpretations, pointing to correlations with increasing gun violence (at the time). To adults who didn't grow up with the context and saw no personal upside to the video games, heavy-handed legislation felt right.

Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by otabdeveloper4 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:54AM (#28548172)
Absolutely not the same. Social media is an addictive substance in a very real way.

Back in the day we joked about "Evercrack" too, but addiction to it actually ruined lots of people's lives in a way Doom never did.

Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by joelbluminator on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:14AM (#28548989)
Video games can be totally addictive, are you saying no one wad harmed by Fortnite or World of Warcraft? China is banning video games for kids because it became a national problem. What studies they did to reach that conclusion I don't know but I don't think it was baseless.
Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by TeMPOraL on Thursday September 16, 2021 @06:16AM (#28549902)
Yes, but that's an entirely distinct argument and a different conversation from "violent games are bad because they're violent".

Also note that both Fortnite and World of Warcraft are entirely multiplayer games. The way I see it, their addictive nature comes from the same set of factors that make social media addictive. In terms of addiction, Fortnite and WoW are like Instagram, not like Doom.

Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by krige on Thursday September 16, 2021 @06:28AM (#28549978)
After numerous missteps, of which probably the most famous is either the four pests campaign or the birth control ("one child") campaign, I would be very hesitant before assuming any punitive or corrective policy China has any basis in facts or will even have the desired effect.
Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by joelbluminator on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:34AM (#28550402)
"According to one study from the American Journal of Psychiatry, between 0.3% and 1.0% of Americans might have an internet gaming disorder."

"Gaming has also been associated with sleep deprivation, insomnia and circadian rhythm disorders, depression, aggression, and anxiety, though more studies are needed to establish the validity and the strength of these connections"

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-health-effects-of-to...

Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by joelbluminator on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:32AM (#28550394)
If we're gonna dig up every faulty decision ever made it's not like the U.S would appear that great.
Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by pope_meat on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:01AM (#28547841)
Teen suicides are up by a good bit. FB/Instagram popped up right around the time the trend started going up, perhaps a coincidence, but perhaps not.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/suicide-among-teens-and-...

Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by joelbluminator on Thursday September 16, 2021 @03:16AM (#28548999)
Tons of things happened lately as well like traditional families collapsing and a huge spike in single parenting. Also the smartphone. I am not saying this has nothing to do with social media, I am saying this is probably really complicated.
Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by fsociety on Thursday September 16, 2021 @02:29PM (#28555310)
US spending on science, space, and technology correlates with an r=0.99789126 to suicides by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation. Is that just a coincidence? Maybe, maybe not. The issue is, you hate FB so you are happy to jump to conclusions. Now, we can all agree the internet does cause harm to individuals and companies in general have a history of skirting responsibility.

And let's get real, this is not just a FB problem. If you really care about this, you have to burn a whole lot more than just FB. And it's probably going to include most internet companies. Cyberbullying is going to happen wherever teens spend most of their time on the internet.

We have important societal issues to solve. c54's comment touched on that in an insightful way. There are other things to balance here. Marginalized groups have benefited a lot from social media much like geeks benefited a lot from video games, D&D, and board games. But we don't like to talk about that because in many minds FB == the devil, and mentioning any benefit means propping up the devil. Soon we'll be talking about TikTok in the same manner.

This should be investigated but it needs to be done with an objective point-of-view. You do not have an objective point-of-view. Facebook does not have an objective point-of-view. The media definitely does not have an objective point-of-view. Let's at least try to be scientific.

Re:Lawmakers Ask Zuck to Drop 'Instagram for Kids' Since App... by klyrs on Thursday September 16, 2021 @02:31AM (#28548747)
An unacceptable number of teens have been bullied to suicide. Suicides cascade. Doom was never that. No way this is a coincidence