Re:Contempt Culture (2015)
by lmm on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:05PM
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Ironic how those who purport to be concerned about inclusivity are always the most eager to impose their culture on everyone else. Because this is, genuinely, a cultural difference, and there are advantages and disadvantages to both. Many people - including but not limited to the neurodiverse - find the direct, honest, style of traditional hacker culture makes for a community where they are not only more productive, but also personally happier.
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Saying a language sucks and the people who use it are bad programmers is not merely a "direct, honest style". At least to my understanding, the article is talking less about good-faith critiques of languages, and more about snide and uncharitable remarks.
> Saying a language sucks and the people who use it are bad programmers is not merely a "direct, honest style".
I submit that if your preferred culture does not admit a way of expressing that a language sucks, or a person is a bad programmer, then it is dishonest. I'm not sure whether hiding your value judgements about languages and programmers is better or worse than giving up on making those judgements at all, but certainly neither creates an environment that I want to be part of.
Re:Contempt Culture (2015)
by filoeleven on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:09AM
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You changed the “and” in what you quoted to an “or,” then criticized that very different statement. In the original quote, the “and” acts like “therefore”:
> Saying a language sucks therefore the people who use it are bad programmers is not merely a "direct, honest style".
Of course people need to evaluate the utility of languages and the aptitude of programmers. “All programmers who use X are bad programmers” is the snide and uncharitable remark, not either clause on its own.
Re:Contempt Culture (2015)
by neveiNievahxier on Thursday September 16, 2021 @11:05PM
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Imagine saying something similar about written languages that are also spoken by humans.
It’s obvious that the language you think is appropriate sucks terribly…
Re:Contempt Culture (2015)
by thewakalix on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:17PM
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Related, and a good post: https://status451.com/2016/05/24/millers-law-in-the-archipel...