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Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by naasking on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:06AM (#28539203)
The solution seems simple: predictions should be blind until the deadline. This also exploits the "wisdom of the crowd", where crowds are smarter when each individual's decision is independent of the others.

What am I missing?

Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by PragmaticPulp on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:21AM (#28539369)
Prediction markets are literally markets.

You can’t have a market if the price is secret.

The goal isn’t to have people place bets and see who is right later. The goal is to expose the predictions to market forces and make people put their money on the line, thereby (theoretically) improving the quality of predictions.

Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by polskibus on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:00AM (#28539995)
Yes you can have market with secret price. Check out dark pools.
Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by rcxdude on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:19AM (#28540250)
Dark pool prices aren't available to the general public, but they are visible to those participating in the market.
Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by __MatrixMan__ on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:50AM (#28539850)
If you reduce transparency you also lose out on a lot of utility that centers around the wagered amount being an indicator of certainty.

Suppose you're using prediction markets to encourage thorough code reviews, specifically with an eye towards catching malicious commits. Run of the mill non-malicious PR's get lots of little yes wagers, and are merged without exceptional scrutiny from the package maintainers. Then a malicious commit comes along and a reviewer wagers $100 on "not merged". This captures the attention of the maintainers and they give the PR extra scrutiny. Turns out it has a malicious commit, so it doesn't get merged and the reviewer who found the flaw is rewarded with the money wagered by those who didn't find the flaw (plus some from the stakeholders, who seed the market with some "no" money to encourage participation in the game even in boring non-adversarial times).

If you hide the predictions and the amounts, you can't use the unsettled bets as inputs for decision making.

Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by karpierz on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:13AM (#28539277)
What do you mean by predictions are blind? The issue the parent is describing is (as an extreme case): I go on a prediction market for when someone will die, put all of my money on tomorrow, and then kill the person tomorrow.

You could imagine a lighter version where I ruh for some public office, bet a billion against me winning, and then drop out of the race.

Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by gunshai on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:41AM (#28539716)
The latter example is easily taken care of though, because there has to be a market to take your bet if the market has no reason to believe you would win your odds are really low thus your winnings over your billion are really low. On top of that your risk is not symmetric as you've exposed your self for some to now spend what millions to campaign for you and thus bet against that pool.

My point is your example is contrived and not really useful.

Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:10AM (#28539252)
> What am I missing?

That by so preserving the independence of predictions, you’ve also removed their utility, which is predicated on their availability.

Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by miketery on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:09AM (#28539232)
The price of a prediction depends on what people are currently predicting. So you can't keep it blind. Well I guess one way would be to put in limit orders on odds you're willing to take, and not revealing the market price. However I don't know if such a market condition / feature would have people using the prediction market.
Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by croon on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:03AM (#28540024)
If you know the price and payout of a bet, it's no longer blind. And if you don't, you wouldn't buy a ticket.
Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by nxpnsv on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:31AM (#28539534)
Sounds clever, until you realize you want to predict stuff before it happens
Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by naasking on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:14AM (#28540177)
True, but speculators and those utilizing predictions to guide policy should be separate.
Re:Futarchy: Robin Hanson on prediction markets by __MatrixMan__ on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:56PM (#28542918)
Why?

If you're not willing to speculate on your own predictions, how can anyone know how confident you are about them?

If you're not interested in guiding policy, why not go bet on horse races instead?