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Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by JW1800 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:47AM (#28538408)
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by nickik on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:00AM (#28538529)
Among all the things the EU waste money on this is not even in the Top 1000 of things that should not be done.

Fundamental research into next generation technology that is also open source seems like the exact kind of thing governments should be doing.

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by wisethrowaway1 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:44AM (#28538371)
Bitcoin!

Devtools!

How about lowering taxes? Have they ever considered aligning with the rest of the world to make it easier to do business, or they pretend to succeed being approximately the most hostile region for businesses?

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by netcan on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:53AM (#28538475)
Please relax. You don't have to leave your politics out of it, but you can't just start slinging it around belligerently. Stick to context. Be polite.
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by xondono on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:08AM (#28538609)
Belligerently? He is just rising a point.

Government “innovation” subsidies move a lot of money into shinny “new” ideas, but in EU there’s no thought about how to create innovation itself.

Just as an example, a friend of mine roasts coffee for a living. He is considering closing shop, because he is succeeding too much. At the point he is, he’ll be required to register as a business, which in Spain means he will have to pay ~300$ a month whether he makes money or not, plus 20% VAT and 20% in income taxes. Add to it the massive amount of time he’ll have to spend in paperwork (or paying someone another 100$/mo for handling it). Another good side job that will go to waste, instead of growing into a company. And it’s by no means an exception. I’ve work for tens of companies here, all of them have admitted to be flunking regulations intentionally to avoid costs during their creation to be able to exist.

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by nottorp on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:57AM (#28539084)
> but in EU there’s no thought about how to create innovation itself.

You mean "innovation" like the predatory monopolies that tend to form in "business friendly" jurisdictions?

Just a random example because I had the page open:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/big-isps-fight-t...

So much innovation...

Edit: the EU does have a problem with barriers to entry when starting a new business without gobs of funding, but the US solution is not a good answer to that.

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by throwaway739 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:32AM (#28538821)
Do you realize you are saying that companies shouldn't pay any taxes?
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by xondono on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @05:10PM (#28544382)
No I’m not, I’m saying that some tax systems make no sense. The only way to create a company in Spain is to flunk regulations. Some are meaningless and people ignore them all the time, some aren’t.

Another example. When escape rooms we’re trending, me and some friends considered building one. One of the partners didn’t want to get into trouble on it, so he wanted everything by the book.

Spanish regulation requires a business to specify their “economic activity” with a codified value. The list is in the thousands, with a lot of non defined ambiguous terms.

Evidently “escape room” was new, so it wasn’t on the list (and it still isn’t). The closest was “gambling business”, which of course a escape room isn’t. It also has a lot more paperwork and additional taxes.

Faced with this conundrum, we went around to the 3 or 4 escape rooms that were near enough to visit and asked them. Some of them just wrote a random number and called it a day. One of them was registered as a butchers…

The legal exposure it represented was simply too big and we abandoned the idea. there was no good reason for that legal exposure.

The statistics then are hardly surprising. Unemployment here is >14%, just to name one.

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by PaywallBuster on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @10:18AM (#28539340)
not really, you can run the business on your name and pay personal income taxes.

Avoiding to create a separate entity which will carry additional compliance and tax costs is something else altogether, and some governments just make it too onerous

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by stevenally on Friday September 17, 2021 @08:34PM (#28572441)
There are millions of small businesses in Spain. Tiny bars, cafes etc. it can’t be such a bad environment.
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by wisethrowaway1 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:47AM (#28538402)
Will they do something about the fact that when YC (to put a very random example) invests, they ask the recipient to move to US as EU regulatory environment is extremely hostile to startups?
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by Kbelicius on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:33AM (#28540420)
What part of the EU regulatory environment is extremely hostile to startup? I really don't know but if I had to guess my guess would be worker rights and regulators that are unwilling to let startups enter whatever industry doing whatever they want while disregarding established rules. Happy to be corrected.
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by PaywallBuster on Thursday September 16, 2021 @02:06AM (#28548597)
The last few batches they started accepting people remote afaik?

But the company is probably transferred to Delaware so the paperwork remains the same for IPO and stuff

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by zoobab on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:45AM (#28538381)
A new chip foundry entirely paid with tax payers money, and where the profits will go to a private corporation? (the 'socialize losses, privatize profits')

https://twitter.com/EIF4eu/status/1438041794940395523

"The @EU_Commission announced a new European Chips Act, in order to jointly create a state-of-the-art European #chip ecosystem including production."

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by notimetorelax on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:47AM (#28538409)
At this point with chip shortages it’s in EU’s interest to attract businesses to build it. Even if it costs us to build it, overall we’ll benefit from it. How much is lost due to stopped Audi plants?
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by zoobab on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:28AM (#28538785)
"attract businesses to build it"

I am wondering how that will work with the current "state aid" framework.

The current crisis is an opportunity to empty the public coffins, full of state aids everywhere, especially to large corporations, and send the bill afterwards to the people that have to pick up the bill. No thank you.

As for cars, we don't need those chips, cars were fine before without all those useless electronics.

Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by throwaway59553 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:35AM (#28538850)
>As for cars, we don't need those chips, cars were fine before without all those useless electronics. But how will they make sure you need to have your car checked every 12 months and bill you for some vague "electronic component"?
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by throwaway59553 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:33AM (#28538836)
It's either a private firm that will keep all the profits, instead of sharing a part, as if paying a loan or royalties, beyond paying wages for the created jobs, or a bunch of University teachers that have no clue about managing a company.
Re:EU Funding for Developer Tools for the Decentralized Web by wisethrowaway1 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @08:52AM (#28538461)
The EU Commission is desperate to find niches where it becomes an essential dealmaker.

To their dismay, after 50 years of trying hard, they are still an irrelevant institution economically, a net negative for businesses and individuals.

The chip industry will and can sort their issues perfectly on it's own. In fact one of the top chipmakers is already European, and they are doing extremely well, they don't need any political help.