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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by snovv_crash on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:13AM (#28535805)
Being fat isn't contagious. While it does increase medical load, it doesn't cause the people you meet at the restaurant to also increase medical load.

We aren't stopping restaurant and party access as some kind of punishment for the unvaxxed. It's because this is one of the major vectors for disease transmission.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by throwawaylinux on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:33AM (#28535923)
> Being fat isn't contagious.

But it does tend to result in worse outcomes when you catch covid, which you can when you go eat at a restaurant. From the vaccinated patrons who can still transmit it.

> it doesn't cause the people you meet at the restaurant to also increase medical load.

The vaccinated can contract covid and can transmit it to other vaccinated though. So this can't be the reason to ban unvaccinated, because allowing the vaccinated to restaurants will also increase medical load.

> We aren't stopping restaurant and party access as some kind of punishment for the unvaxxed.

Oh? It sort of seemed like it was since the science on natural immunity was being ignored.

> It's because this is one of the major vectors for disease transmission.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by lenkite on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:51AM (#28536040)
> Being fat isn't contagious.

Being vaccinated doesn't mean you are not contagious.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by sangnoir on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:14AM (#28538663)
The probabilities are very different, and that compounds when infections are exponential.

Your argument could equally apply to DUIs:"Driving sober doesn't mean you won't be involved in an accident" - sure, but the likelihood is lowered by a measurable amount.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by throwawaylinux on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @05:59PM (#28544933)
> The probabilities are very different, and that compounds when infections are exponential.

So? What are the numbers? You seem to have it all figured out, so all I'm asking is how the situations are different, and how exactly you arrived at the conclusion that one merited forced medical procedures and the other did not, based on those numbers.

Handwaving about more or different doesn't really cut it because I want clear, unambiguous hard criteria and step by step reasoning for why one particular set of numbers justifies this serious step and another does not.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by LudvigVanHassen on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @06:37PM (#28545281)
The probability being very different argument above is based in massaged data; data fit to a narrative.

The narrative wants you to trust it and set aside such petty questioning! "The science" will prevail! The elites no better! How dare you ask for specifics, a practical dataset and explanations. You might be labeled a anti-vaxxer over such things! /sarcasm

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by dragonwriter on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:57AM (#28536069)
> Being vaccinated doesn't mean you are not contagious.

Being vaccinated reduces contagion (with known variants other than Delta, it reduces probability of contagious infection, intensity (viral load) of contagious infection, and duration of contagious infection; with Delta it does the first and third.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by billycorben2 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @09:39AM (#28538884)
This article is about previous infection.

Is there data comparing previous infection to vaccine in terms of contagious properties listed above?