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Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by rootusrootus on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:10PM (#28532161)
> skepticism that resulted from the lies

Let's be honest, please. The skepticism preceded the lies. The lies, in as much as they actually exist, are just being used as post-hoc rationalization.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by TheBlight on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:06PM (#28532719)
The first vocal skeptics were Kamala Harris and Joe Biden back when they were referred to as the Trump vaccines.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by cma on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:38PM (#28533048)
Probably from when Trump said he was going to get the vaccine out early, a couple days before the election:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/30/white-house-aide-sa...

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by rootusrootus on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:17PM (#28541782)
I think you'd have a better point if you blamed skepticism on something Fauci said (though I'd like to see context on that, too). I've not once relied on a politician of any kind for medical advice. If the only person telling me to get the vaccine was Joe Biden, I'd be very skeptical indeed.

But again, this is cherry picking. The consensus opinion amongst medical experts is heavily in favor of the vaccine, and they have data to back up their judgement. The contrarian advice from skeptics is decidedly lacking in evidence and relies almost entirely on hearsay and non-scientific anecdotes.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by michaelmrose on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:30PM (#28532969)
Harris: If doctors say I should take it I'll be the first in line but if Donald Trumps says I should take it I won't take it.

What she wanted is what everyone should want is for the vaccine to be vetted. When it was she took it. She expressed doubt not in medical science, not in the vaccine, but in the claims of Donald Trump.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by TheBlight on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:43PM (#28533106)
That would maybe be a passing defense if you legitimately thought Donald Trump created the vaccines by himself and they weren't a product from Pfizer etc.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by MereInterest on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:02PM (#28533264)
With the history that Trump had for firing people who did follow unreasonable orders (e.g. Rod Rosenstein), it becomes entirely plausible that he would fire any FDA head who did not support a vaccine, regardless of the science behind them. As things turned out, the studies did support the vaccine, but it was not unreasonable to draw a distinction between unbiased experts and experts under threat of firing.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by BHSPitMonkey on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:57PM (#28533749)
The vaccines didn't exist at that point; We didn't know how effective or safe they would turn out to be (at least in their first iteration), so obviously it would have been ridiculous to commit blindly to taking them.

Once trial results were released, we learned that they're highly effective and that risks of bad reactions are exceedingly rare (especially when compared to the effects of the virus itself).

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by rayiner on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:33PM (#28532432)
Vaccination rates were equal between democrats and Republicans as late as the end of April.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by tomjakubowski on Monday September 27, 2021 @03:41PM (#28675119)
> end of April

What's so special about vaccination rates in April? By late August this NBC poll shows a huge gap. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/nbc-news-pol...

Already vaccinated:

- Democrats: 88 percent

- Republicans: 55 percent

- Biden voters in 2020 general election: 91 percent

- Trump voters in 2020 general election: 50 percent

Another analysis from September comparing electoral results and vaccination rates by county shows the same trend. https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covi...

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by endymi0n on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:06PM (#28532724)
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by SamReidHughes on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:20PM (#28533964)
Comment dated April, article dated July.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by rayiner on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:37PM (#28534114)
Yes: https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-red-blue-divide-in-covi...

As of April 22, the vaccination rates between the parties was almost identical.

The differential in vaccination rates is largely about people under 65. If you look at over 65 rates red states and blue states are much closer. 88.4% of people over 65 in Kansas are fully vaccinated. That’s higher than California, Illinois, and New York.

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by rootusrootus on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:20PM (#28541810)
I've noticed that as the risk becomes too high to ignore, people do finally put their politics aside when they have a reasonable expectation that their life actually does ride on the decision.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by rayiner on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @05:47PM (#28544781)
I would probably frame that the opposite way. People under 65 have a pretty low risk of COVID. Less than 20% of COVID deaths are for people under 65, and only 3% are people under 45. Liberal politics might convince a young, healthy 35 year old to get vaccinated out of concern for others. Geography also matters. There is a visceral awareness of being exposed to others’ germs in a place like NYC that’s simply absent in Iowa or Utah. A guy who takes a bus to work every day is going to be acutely aware of transmission risks in a way that a guy who drives to work every day won’t.
Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by random314 on Thursday September 16, 2021 @12:46AM (#28548129)
The 65-115 year old category is too big to compare with other age deciles.

For representative comparison deaths in 65-75 age group is 144K and 50-65 age group is 106K, they are a comparable risk group[1]. In my urban county of 2M whites in 50-64 have the lowest vaccination rate in the 60s. Asians have a 95% vaccination rate in the same age group.

The simple fact that Republican dominated counties have their beds and ICUs overflowing[2] after wide vaccine availability while congested New York does not paints a very clear picture that it is not liberal politics that is causing pandemic issues, but conservative politics.

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/19/us/alabama-icu-shortage.h...

Re:Why doesn’t natural immunity count in the US? by Clubber on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:27PM (#28532348)
The lies have been coming for decades, these are just new lies.