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Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:59PM (#28531087)
> I'm not sure why people are so resistant to this idea.

At some point we'll run out of land to concrete over.

And before that point we'll experience more problems due to water runoff from the land we are concreting over.

Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by epistasis on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:05PM (#28531212)
The way to avoid that is to stop building sprawl, and stack homes on top of each other.

Which, is the only way to add homes in the economically productive centers where housing prices are going through the roof.

I mentioned in my comment that we should ban sprawl, and I mean it. We instead ban multifamily buildings nearly everywhere, or use code to legislate them out of being feasible. This is what must change.

Instead, it's really easy to pave over farmland in the middle of nowhere, forcing people to hop on to freeway and drive for hours to get to jobs, because it's the only thing that's legal to build. Which is happening just outside the Bay Area, for Bat Area workers: large single family development far away from where the purchasers will work.

Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by quantified on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:17PM (#28532828)
Oh, but then you change the character of my neighborhood and I can’t stand that (even though my house was built on an earlier open space, messing up someone else’s bucolic preserve, and I conveniently forget that fact).
Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:50PM (#28531880)
You can keep building up or building out, adding more and more concrete... either way at some point you're going to run out of land, or water, or power, or food, or something else.
Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by epistasis on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:41PM (#28532506)
What is your alternative to house the population? Tent encampments? More wars/disease? Death squads?

Humans have a right to housing. Saying "no more housing" but not thinking through the rest of the consequences, because you are personally reliably housed, is not a solution that a society should consider even momentarily.

Refusing to house people today because at some unspecified point after we have many many more people, is not even remotely logical, ethical, or a solution to any problem.

Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:32PM (#28532988)
Where do you think this ends?

At some point we'll destroy the planet and then nobody will be housed.

Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by epistasis on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:57PM (#28533217)
Crucial factor: building housing does not change the population. Population growth comes from people having children, not from physical structures.

If your "solution" is to stop building housing, you have absolutely no solution, you just want to make people suffer.

The real solution is already happening: give women control over their bodies, economic control over their own futures, give women education and ensure that women have political power in society. That along with industrialization is how to stop population growth in its tracks.

Additionally, different types of housing have vastly different environmental impacts. Detached housing with yards is environmentally disastrous, particularly when in the woods, for people that take part in normal society. Multiunit housing takes far less materials, water, heating/cooling, and as importantly it allows loving with less transportation requirements, greatly enhancing quality of life while using less energy.

I think I've spelled out my solution to this fairy well. If yours is anything other than "make people homeless" i would love to hear it, or if you have any defense of your non-solution to ever increasing population, I'd love to hear it.

Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by chrisseaton on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @08:00PM (#28533249)
> Crucial factor: building housing does not change the population. Population growth comes from people having children, not from physical structures.

Look up induced demand.

People think our roads are too crowded, so they build even more roads. Then the roads are more clear, so people drive more. So the roads get more crowded and we build more roads...

I'm only having one child, partly because of the cost. If we burn down more of the planet to make it cheaper to have a second child, people will do that. Then people will complain it's too expensive so we need to burn down more of the planet to make it cheaper again. Then people will have three children because it's cheap...

Burn, burn, burn.

Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by mupuff1234 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:05PM (#28533836)
I believe we're soon reaching the point where the world population will actually start to shrink - I'm not sure that running out of land would be a problem (at least not in the US)
Re:US housing price higher than housing bubble 2008 by Ekaros on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @06:11PM (#28545052)
We don't run out of land anytime soon. Currently there is 19310 m^2 for each person. 10x global population and we still could have 1930 m^2 for each person. That is quite big area.