Effect size is significantly more important than statistical significance

Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by modeless on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:20PM (#28528630)

Not only is it not valuable to publish tons of studies with p=.04999 and small effect size, in fact it's harmful. With so many questionable results published in supposedly reputable places it becomes possible to "prove" all sorts of crackpot theories by selectively citing real research. And if you try to dispute the studies you can get accused of being anti-science.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by exporectomy on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:49PM (#28529156)

Only a problem for people who are trying hard not to think. You can just ignore those people. They're not doing any harm believing their beliefs.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by robbedpeter on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:03PM (#28529393)

The USDA food pyramid and nutrition education would suggest that there's an inherent danger in just letting people believe irrational things after a correction is known. It depends on the belief - flat earth people aren't likely to cause any harm. Bad nutrition information can wreak havoc at scale.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by vkou on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:38PM (#28529920)

Flat earth beliefs doesn't cause harm, but flat earth believers have largely upgraded to believing more dangerous nonsense.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by exporectomy on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:45PM (#28530871)

Data or it didn't happen. This really sounds like you're inventing a caricature of your enemy and assigning them "dangerous" qualities so you can hate them more.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by vkou on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:34PM (#28531665)

Nobody needs to caricature the insane beliefs surrounding COVID (or flat earth), people holding them are doing a good enough job of that themselves.

I do have a few favorites. "COVID tests give you COVID, so I won't go get tested" is certainly up there. I can't say I give two figs about your opinion on the Earth's topology, but this one is a public health problem, that's crippling hospitals around the country.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by exporectomy on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:14AM (#28535809)

So it didn't happen?

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by robbedpeter on Friday September 17, 2021 @04:53PM (#28570783)

Exactly - like the "Oklahoma horse paste overdoses overwhelming emergency rooms so gunshot victims can't get tratment" the stories validate all the caricatured biases against middle America as a bunch of ignorant redneck yokels. None of the story was true, but people leapt on it because it resonates in that echo chamber.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by bee_rider on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:33PM (#28529869)

We are literally in the middle of a global crisis that is founded on people misunderstanding science.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by exporectomy on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:54PM (#28531003)

What on earth are you talking about? I guess climate change but that's certainly not founded on people misunderstanding science, it's caused by people understanding science which led to industrialization. Or maybe you mean covid-19? Neither that. You're just trying to make it seem like it's somehow very serious and bad if everyone doesn't agree with you. It's not.

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Re:Effect size is significantly more important than statisti... by mrosett on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @01:26AM (#28535554)

I’ll presume you’re referring to everyone involved in the gain of function research that led to the virus.

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