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Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by sdenton4 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:14PM (#28526964)
Turns out the Apple tax means you're also buying the three chips thrown away to produce your one...
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by munificent on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:57PM (#28527555)
Waste is a factor in all production goods. Every fish you eat's price takes into account dealing with bycatch. Your wooden table's price accounts for the offcuts. It's the nature of making (or harvesting, or whatever) things.
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by arcticbull on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:57PM (#28528335)
Waste is an inherent inefficiency.

In silicon manufacturing, the inefficiency is actually pretty low specifically because of the kind of binning that Intel and AMD do, that GP was complaining about. In a fully vertically integrated system with no desire to sell outside, the waste is realized. In a less integrated system the waste is taken advantage of.

In theory capitalism should broadly encourage the elimination of waste - literally every part of the animal is used, for instance. Even the hooves make glue, and the bones to make jello.

Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by gleenn on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:21PM (#28527067)
That's not really an Apple tax though, that's a cost of doing business tax. It's not like Intel and AMD and everyone else aren't effectively doing the same exact thing.
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by dragontamer on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:25PM (#28527123)
Intel and AMD __literally__ sell those broken chips to the open marketplace, recouping at least some of the costs (or possibly getting a profit from them).

Apple probably does the same strategy PS3 did: create a 1-PPE + 8-SPE chip, but sell it as a 1-PPE + 7-SPE chip (assume one breaks). This increases yields, and it means that all 7-SPE + 8-SPE chips can be sold.

6-SPE-chips (and below) are thrown away, which is a small minority. Especially as the process matures and reliability of manufacturing increases over time.

Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by rteuionwiv on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:03PM (#28530292)
I can confirm that 5000 desktop ryzen series has issues with turbo boost, basically if you disable turbo and stay on base clock then everthing is fine, but with turbo (CPB) enabled you get crashes and BSOD. I had this problem at work at my new workstation with ryzen 5900x. We RMAed it and new cpu works fine. From what i read it's pretty common problem, but it's strange that no on talks about it.
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by pdimitar on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:49PM (#28531868)
Can the turbo boost maximum frequency value be lowered a little in the BIOS to try and alleviate the problem?
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by rteuionwiv on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @02:30AM (#28535908)
I think yes, but if you buy cpu, you look at advertised speeds and you expect get them in your machine. From what i researched, to achive advertised clock frequencies you need to increase voltage to make it more stable. Some people reported silicon degradation after increasing voltages (it worked fine for week and then problems returned).

You can read more info on this forum post: https://community.amd.com/t5/processors/ryzen-5900x-system-c...

Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by pdimitar on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @06:12AM (#28537311)
I am very interested in AMD's latest lineup (and bought a 5500U laptop that performs super well so far) but I am aware that on the PC front things can be a bit rockier and not always stable so such comments and articles help a lot.

Thank you.

Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by gleenn on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:11PM (#28529524)
Apple sells a 7 core and 8 core version of their M1 chips. Maybe Intel and AMD ship CPUs with even more cores disabled but it's not like Apple doesn't do this at all.
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by qweqwweqwe-90i on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:29PM (#28529819)
Apple doesnt sell chips at all. Next.
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by tcoff91 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @07:00PM (#28532684)
What are you talking about? Apple certainly sells chips -- you just have to buy an entire computer to get it.
Re:Intel is reducing server chip pricing in attempt to stem ... by barbecue_sauce on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:16PM (#28530471)
Next?