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Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by mc32 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @10:36AM (#28525486)
At the speeds those things whiz by, what sort of materials are there that can withstand impacts and not create more debris? Or do they try to do it via relative speeds and say let them hit the "paddle" at 50mph? And in that case, might it not be more effective to have hunting "nets" to collect the objects?
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by cletus on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:21PM (#28527865)
First, a lot of space debris is small. I'm talking like flecks of paint. That's an issue at high speed and this has hit the ISS [1].

Obviously there's the conservation of momentum to deal with. That fleck of paint has a decent amount of momentum but that's fairly easily absorbed by a couple of tons of material fixed to an otherwise rigid body.

You'd probably attach it via cables and if, somehow, enough momentum was delivered to that "paddle" that it would tear off the cables would just let it go.

If the paddle is fixed to the ring and is let go, it's just going to fall to Earth even with any added momentum, in which case it'll burn up in the atmosphere.

The more dangerous debris is larger stuff. Like there are dead parts of rockets, even smaller stuff like bolts. These pose extra challenges but a lot of the same principles apply.

[1]: https://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0513/Space-debris-dan....

Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by deelowe on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:34PM (#28528890)
I thought larger parts aren't as big of an issue in the majority of cases as most orbits aren't stable and they'll eventually fall to earth or be ejected into outer space.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by genericone on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:35PM (#28527263)
Maybe not hunting nets per say, maybe just a huge trawling net, or some sort of trawling-foam since we're in space. As high velocity objects begin to hit it, the foam will gain speed, but overtime, with presumably random speed-object collisions, the foam and its captured contents should have their speed reduced to 0 and fall. Doesn't need to be in foam or net form, but it does need to be a massive-entanglement-object, or MEO for short.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by gipp on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:10PM (#28527713)
I'm probably under thinking this, but wouldn't the overall momentum of the debris be conserved so you'd have a bias in debris velocity in whatever direction the original objects were orbiting (presumably not random)?
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by SuoDuanDao on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:26PM (#28527920)
I would assume that as the debris cloud became more biased in one direction, it would be more and more likely to encounter new debris coming in a different direction.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by tornato7 on Wednesday September 15, 2021 @11:24PM (#28547601)
This would be a really fun simulation to run
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by Antipode on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:20PM (#28530519)
At least at geosynchronous altitude it seems like it would be significantly biased in the direction of Earth's rotation, especially along geostationary orbit.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by dr_dshiv on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:36AM (#28526398)
Maybe use lasers to ablate material on the debris, creating propulsion? Creates liability, though..
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by mvkel on Thursday September 16, 2021 @07:14PM (#28559005)
Splitting small things into slightly smaller things would only compound the problem
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by MichaelMoser123 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:14AM (#28526085)
if you are moving with the almost the same speed and in the same direction as the debris, then there is a very small impact.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by fsloth on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:52AM (#28526628)
I imagine orbital velocities of debris is all over the place. It sound like you would need a magic source of thrust for all that delta-v to match orbits and whatnot.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by ben-schaaf on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:28PM (#28527163)
The closest we have to that would probably be solar sails. Considering that cleanup usually isn't time sensitive it could be a very cheap and effective solution.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by MichaelMoser123 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:01PM (#28526772)
they might try out solar powered ion engines. Deep space one is powered by an engine of this type, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_electric_propulsion
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by gowld on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:03PM (#28526802)
Everything in an orbit moves at exactly the same speed.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler's_laws_of_planetary_m...

You can only collide with an orbiting object if one of you is changing orbits.

It's very difficult to force to objects to meet in orbit with nearly the same velocity; it requires complex active maneuvering.

Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by jvanderbot on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @04:23PM (#28530557)
There are small debris clouds, but also large uncontrolled spacecraft, like boosters. De-orbiting those could be a huge help, since a collision with a stray booster would create gobs of debris so those orbits may be completely avoided.
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by uoaei on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:16PM (#28531382)
Things that are not rigid and that distribute the force throughout the body (think of slapping a big slab of silicone).
Re:Steve Wozniak announces private space company to clean up... by jon_richards on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @05:33PM (#28531657)