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Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by JoeCianflone on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:04AM (#28524114)
What’s the line from Jurassic Park? “They were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should”
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by jjoonathan on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @10:30AM (#28525388)
Why do the dinosaurs always escape in Jurassic Park? Is it because the mathematics of chaos theory dictate that life always finds a way? Or is it because nobody pays to see a movie where a couple of brats go on an uneventful vacation to a dinosaur zoo?

It's definitely the latter, but through the power of repetition people started to believe it was the former.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:55PM (#28528290)
Neither. It's because it's extremely difficult to keep large animals confined indefinitely through all circumstances. Ask any farmer with livestock. The bigger they are, the more capable they are of ignoring whatever fencing/obstacles you put in the way.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by jjoonathan on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:19PM (#28528606)
Zoos keep Rhinos. They manage without the kind of budget that a resurrected dinosaur would afford. They also keep elephants, 800lb gorillas, chimps, ostriches, all kinds of powerful and intelligent beasts capable of reproduction. They sometimes escape, but it's the exception, and killing the animal(s) is always a last-ditch option.

That last point is another place where I expect a huge fiction-reality gap. If I pay to watch a movie about a dinosaur getting loose, I want to see it shrug off bunker-busting missiles from fighter jets, with big fireball explosions and people jumping in the air and the hero magically surviving. I don't want to see a short, sad walk down to the city park where they try and fail for an hour to coax it back and ultimately decide that they have to shoot it with a slightly larger than average rifle. That's the boring and horrible but realistic scenario.

There's nothing wrong with the movie scene not being realistic, but there is something wrong with blindly assuming that the movie scene is realistic.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:29PM (#28528789)
> They sometimes escape, but it's the exception

That's... kinda my point!

Zoos keep large animals in significantly smaller areas that are easier to control and maintain. I can see someone making "Jurassic Zoo" where you're keeping a few fairly docile dinosaurs in an area of a few acres. I don't have hard data but the territories in Jurassic Park look like they were measured in square miles.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by jjoonathan on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:52PM (#28529218)
If "escapes are rare and low-consequence" is your point, I'm happy to agree.

Re: enclosure size, that's because city land is expensive, not because the mathematics of chaos theory dictate that it is impossible to hold an animal in a large enclosure. Come on.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by AlbertCory on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:32PM (#28527220)
It's because the scriptwriters tried selling a script where nothing much happened, and didn't even get past the receptionist.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by coldacid on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:14PM (#28529568)
Nobody likes "Billy and the Clonosaurus".[0]

0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIUh-MHsQKU

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by throwaway889900 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:50PM (#28527467)
Isn't it almost always that the safeguards in place are poor? Either poorly maintained or the caretakers don't care at all.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by jjoonathan on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:51PM (#28528236)
Jurassic Park is a great example of hard scifi in that the problems which happen all happen in believable ways.

It's still fiction and not an attempt to realistically estimate the rate at which problems would happen or the magnitude of those problems if they did. Look to zoos if you want a realistic point of comparison for the risk analysis -- but not if you want to watch a T-Rex chase kids in Jeeps.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by HeyLaughingBoy on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:58PM (#28528343)
Yep. I was actually thinking of zoos as a counterpoint to my post upthread. But the difference is that of scale: how do you allow a T-Rex or a herd of brachiosaurs the square miles they need for their territory and still keep them within that territory? You may as well just say, "let's not bother fencing them in and just use the ocean itself as the barrier."
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by aldrinclement1 on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:12AM (#28524225)
There's also “If The Pirates Of The Caribbean Breaks Down, The Pirates Don’t Eat The Tourists.”
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by Maursault on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @11:37AM (#28526415)
No, hold on. This isn't this isn't some species that was obliterated by deforestation or or the building of a dam. Dinosaurs ah ah had their shot, and Nature selected them for extinction.

I thought this was more applicable.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by spywaregorilla on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:34AM (#28524544)
If you could make jurassic park with actual zoo architecture and technology that would be pretty cool.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by sdrawkcabmai on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:19AM (#28524337)
But we all want Jurassic Park though. And we likely will get it in the next few decades, just like we will likely also get Westworld park full of virtual beings that you can seduce (and we probably have something near equivalent in VR now.)
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by spywaregorilla on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:27AM (#28524452)
I really doubt people want to seduce sexbots in a public park. If we get realistic west world sexbots, expect them to follow the business model of hookers.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by gruez on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @09:41AM (#28524652)
>I really doubt people want to seduce sexbots in a public park

Have you watched the show? It's "public", but it's so huge that the guest concentration closer to rural town than disney world.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by spywaregorilla on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @10:48AM (#28525688)
I watched the original, which was awesome. Newer one didn't appeal to me.

It's a cute idea but that would be stupidly expensive. It would be difficult to compete with the nearby hotel that includes 10 robo-whores complementary with each night at 1/100th of the price; or a giga-chad sex machine that you can just purchase for home use. For sex, or, actually, just as a worker to do real labor because that's a hugely valuable task to society rather than playing pretend saloon whore for a few billionaires.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by jon-wood on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @12:57PM (#28527564)
I think you've summed up the biggest immersion breaker in that program for me. At some point a character mentions a cost of $40,000/day, which seems like a huge amount until you look at how much staff is needed to keep the park running (including apparently an entire private army), and the amount of damage done on a daily basis which then needs fixing.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by spywaregorilla on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:18PM (#28527827)
That's pretty funny. Strictly speaking, there has to be more robots than people in the park at any time. Probably by a factor of 10-20 or so if you want people to feel like the real people tourists are a small minority. Implying each robot is earning about $2,000-4,000/day. Ignoring the fact that they get destroyed and other fixed costs, it would take years to pay these things off assuming they cost upwards of $10M each.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by gruez on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:56PM (#28528310)
>which seems like a huge amount until you look at how much staff is needed to keep the park running (including apparently an entire private army), and the amount of damage done on a daily basis which then needs fixing.

[Spoiler]

They did mention that the real money maker for the park was information collection, not the admission fees.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by spywaregorilla on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:02PM (#28528395)
What information could they possibly be collecting?
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by gruez on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @02:16PM (#28528564)
excerpt from wikipedia synopsis:

>Arnold organizes a demonstration of the hosts to convince Logan to invest in Westworld. Logan's father, James Delos, is critical of his son's actions until William persuades him that the park can be used to spy on the guests. James proceeds to buy out the park and name William as his successor.

Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by jon-wood on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @06:55PM (#28532627)
That was coincidentally about the point I lost interest the series as it totally jumped the shark from “flawed but I can suspend disbelief” to “oh great, another series that’s going to build ever more tenuous conspiracy theories”.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by spywaregorilla on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @03:06PM (#28529432)
Not really clear to me how spying on someone's sexbot vacation is a viable business model but ok.
Re:Entrepreneur plans to resurrect woolly mammoths by tclancy on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @10:12AM (#28525120)
Oh ok, that's not weird then.