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Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by vorpalhex on Monday September 13, 2021 @10:51AM (#28512225)
> The irony of the conservative attack is that he was more respectful of conservative students and giving conservatives a voice than anyone.

Listening to other people and engaging in debate used to be the standard. Somewhere about when Twitter became popular we quite lost that value as a culture.

One of my issues today with CRT is that questioning it as a narrative is now "aggression". I generally regard all unquestionable narratives the same.

Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by crocodiletears on Monday September 13, 2021 @03:24PM (#28515630)
I don't think it was the standard, we merely convinced ourselves that it was the case because it was easier to remain isolated in our respective bubbles, sheltered from the opposition.

When we were exposed to opposing ideas, there's a better chance than not that it was in a defanged and castrated form published with the ascent of corporate gatekeepers.

It's easy for a liberal to have a debate with a conservative when they values have a 98% overlap, and their disputes are largely inconsequential questions of cultural aesthetic which demand only minute changes.

Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by vorpalhex on Monday September 13, 2021 @03:36PM (#28515752)
Historically, political debates have had the potential to be very hot and include duels and beat downs. We're talking explosive stuff like franchise, rights, structuring economies. I don't buy your argument that it was defanged by gatekeepers.

I do think one difference is the chance of repeat engagements. If you and I are neighbors and debate over dinner, well, I'm going to see you frequently. We both need to be kind enough to continue that relationship.

Online, we may debate and never bump into each other again. We can block and ignore. It's to my interest to behave greedily and "dunk" on you, insult you, etc to try and score fake internet points since it's a single engagement with spectators.

Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by crocodiletears on Monday September 13, 2021 @04:19PM (#28516320)
I think you're absolutely right in that things used to be more volatile. The mid-19th to early 20th century US are great exemplars of this. But even though in the modern era (I'd say mid-'30s on to the early 10's) after the advent and refinement of mass media felt like an era of more reasoned dialogues on the balance, I really think it was a mirage that's only reinforced by our ability to look back at niche circles where it was actually the case in hindsight.

Mass media and educational institutions bounded our collective capacity for political thought through their selective exposition of certain ideas, meaning people in the era were less likely to have mutually unintelligible or incompatible beliefs about the ordering of society, and that they were similarly incapable of conceiving of such a political enemy (communists notwithstanding)

As a result, we never collectively developed the rhetorical tools or emotional capacity to consume or have reasoned discussions that tackled the fundamental aspects of our culture or its organization that conflicted with our preconceived notions, because we never truly had to.

Social media has given air to ideas that would have historically been suffocated in the cradle or domesticated long before we were ever exposed to them, and as a result I don't think it'd so much degraded our capacity for political dialogue inasmuch as it has how sheltered we've collectively been, and how much less refined and rational we actually were.

Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by reedjosh on Monday September 13, 2021 @02:00PM (#28514580)
> Listening to other people and engaging in debate used to be the standard.

The irony of downvoting this...

Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by kaonashi on Monday September 13, 2021 @10:53AM (#28512251)
What is that "narrative" other than "racism is a thing and affects outcomes negatively".
Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by loudtieblahblah on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:16PM (#28518151)
I'll take a swing

The narrative says:

- all unequal outcomes are necessarily because of racism - that racism is at the foundation of every aspect of American culture and economy - that America is irredeemably racist and any evidence to the contrary is only given by racists - that no culture can have problems in of themselves, even if they intersect with systemic racism and oppression, without them being wholly laid at the feet of racism. African American criminals murder asian americans in the street? Blame the racism of white people.

Framing CRT merely as a movement against racism is

A. Complete b.s. and is missing just how far it's extending the debate and moving the goalpost so far that the only thing someone part of a "privileged" skin-tone can do is self-flagellate, while asking for forgiveness as if their whiteness is akin to some religious "original sin" they must atone for, forever.

B. Ignoring the racism that CRT itself perpetuates through it's increased push for segregated ceremonies, separate national anthems, etc.. Not to mention it's continued racism of low expectations in lowering academic standards .

Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by vorpalhex on Monday September 13, 2021 @03:06PM (#28515414)
The most comprehensive, non-biased source on critical theory (the parent theory of CRT) is from the SEP: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/critical-theory/

Critical racial theory (CRT) is a Marxist based theory that views everything as a racial conflict that can't be (fundamentally) resolved. White people will always be racist against non-Whites, anything and everything is entrenched in racial conflict, and even innocuous actions and conversations are a part of that racial conflict. CRT specifically is guilty of a literal black and white viewpoint.

I find the theory illiberal, poorly supported and a mess of badly defined unclear terms including it's basis of racial identities.

Re:The Man Behind Critical Race Theory by ZeroGravitas on Thursday September 16, 2021 @04:05AM (#28549248)
That definition link is pretty good, but I don't see how what it says is connected to what you describe underneath it.