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Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by intellix on Monday September 13, 2021 @06:41AM (#28509785)
I'm not sure if I understood it correctly but it sounds like they're able to know which website of the top 20 you're visiting based on how much the power usage changed whilst charging.

If that's correct then what's the actual real world problem here?

Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by bayindirh on Monday September 13, 2021 @06:55AM (#28509879)
Power analysis have opens a lot of doors for indirect attacks.

If they can predict which site you're on, they can also possibly detect an unsecured secure algorithm's state.

SSL or PGP had a similar "power starvation" attack: reducing the power to the power supply and watching power drainage allowed one to predict private keys.

The attack has been patched, then.

Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by cixter on Monday September 13, 2021 @01:37PM (#28514284)
This sounds really interesting! Do you have any links where I can read more about this power starvation attack?
Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by bayindirh on Monday September 13, 2021 @02:43PM (#28515103)
I remembered it correctly: It's the RSA part of OpenSSL which was cracked (or leaked to be exact), 11 years ago (wow, time flies).

Summary is here [0], and paper is here [1].

[0]: https://www.theregister.com/2010/03/04/severe_openssl_vulner...

[1]: http://web.eecs.umich.edu/~valeria/research/publications/DAT...

Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by xattt on Monday September 13, 2021 @06:57AM (#28509899)
Does anyone actually use their phone while attached to a wireless charger? It seems incredibly awkward.
Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by bayindirh on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:07AM (#28509979)
I actually use mine. Generally stream music to something. However, you don't need to use it.

iOS does a lot of thing during charging. Face recognition, backups, mail checks, software updates, another applications' background stuff.

It might as well interact with your home or car over BT (cars have wireless charging these days). There's a myriad of opportunities there.

Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by throw0101a on Monday September 13, 2021 @07:10AM (#28509989)
There are wireless charging phone mounts:

* https://www.rammount.com/shop-all/phone-mounts/wireless-char...

Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by tinus_hn on Monday September 13, 2021 @12:18PM (#28513330)
There really is none, if you control the environment where someone is charging their phone while using it, it wouldn’t be hard to just point a hidden camera at the screen.

Or just offer free wi-fi and watch people’s traffic.

Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by rovr138 on Monday September 13, 2021 @01:12PM (#28513977)
That assumes the camara always has a view and that there's no VPN or other layer protecting the traffic.
Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by tinus_hn on Monday September 13, 2021 @11:19PM (#28519818)
No, if all you want is detecting which one of 20 websites a user is browsing to, which you can by checking how much power it uses, you can definitely do that from traffic patterns even if the traffic flows through a vpn.

And this ‘leak’ assumes a user has his phone on a charger while it is already full, there is no guarantee it works.

Re:Wireless Charging Power Side-Channel Attacks by advisedwang on Monday September 13, 2021 @01:30PM (#28514207)
To me this is notable research because if this side-channel attack is possible, then maybe more serious ones are.