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Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by WalterBright on Sunday September 12, 2021 @07:22PM (#28506066)
Really? What was the "massive government led taxpayer funded investment" in your phone? Microsoft wrote a big check to Apple to save it from bankruptcy, not the government.

Remember, it was Morse that invented digital telecommunications, and AT&T invented the transistor.

Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by heavyset_go on Sunday September 12, 2021 @07:50PM (#28506272)
The government-led space race was responsible for rapidly accelerating the miniaturization of electronics.
Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by WalterBright on Sunday September 12, 2021 @08:13PM (#28506441)
That doesn't imply government was required to miniaturize electronics.

The advantages of reducing the size and power requirements of electronics have always been recognized and improvements in it have been ongoing since the first devices.

After all, the transistor was invented by AT&T, not the government.

Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by ceejayoz on Sunday September 12, 2021 @07:32PM (#28506139)
Modern phones wouldn’t be nearly as useful without ARPANET or CERN’s WWW, as a start.
Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by WalterBright on Sunday September 12, 2021 @07:50PM (#28506274)
Many other digital networks existed. I know they've been forgotten, but pretending it took a government to create a digital protocol is ignoring all that.

Whenever anyone had two computers, the first thing they'd invent next is a digital protocol to connect them.

Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by ceejayoz on Sunday September 12, 2021 @08:34PM (#28506582)
Won’t that be your response to any examples, then?
Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by frankbreetz on Sunday September 12, 2021 @07:34PM (#28506162)
DARPA invented the internet
Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by WalterBright on Sunday September 12, 2021 @07:45PM (#28506232)
No, Morse invented the digital internet. It was wildly successful. Certainly, improvements were made later.

Besides, a digital protocol is not the result of "massive government led taxpayer funded investment".

Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by cyber_kinetist on Sunday September 12, 2021 @10:10PM (#28507145)
Yes, but in order for that digital protocol to spread and be used widely, you usually need massive investments in infrastructure without immediate returns, which the state often funds.

In fact, Morse was supported by Congress to build a demonstration of his telegraph system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Morse):

> Morse made his last trip to Washington, D.C., in December 1842, stringing "wires between two committee rooms in the Capitol, and sent messages back and forth" to demonstrate his telegraph system.[19] Congress appropriated $30,000 (equal to $833,250 today) in 1843 for construction of an experimental 38-mile (61 km) telegraph line between Washington, D.C., and Baltimore along the right-of-way of the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad.[20] An impressive demonstration occurred on May 1, 1844, when news of the Whig Party's nomination of Henry Clay for U.S. president was telegraphed from the party's convention in Baltimore to the Capitol Building in Washington.[20]

Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by WalterBright on Monday September 13, 2021 @04:57PM (#28516781)
That line was indeed funded by Congress. But it was a failure, eliciting zero interest from the public, and little to no use. After 3 months the line cost $1859.05 to run yet revenue was $193.56.

The next line was funded when Morse partnered with Amos Kendall forming the Magnetic Telegraph Company. It built lines from New York to Philadelphia, Boston and Buffalo. Receipts for the first for days on the NY to Philadelphia run was $100. And the telegraph was off and running.

2 years later there was 2,000 miles if wire, and another two years added another 10,000 miles.

The government line proved to be irrelevant, not crucial.

See "The Victorian Internet" by Tom Standage

Re:Adam Smith and Inequality (2014) by WalterBright on Tuesday September 14, 2021 @01:35AM (#28520633)
The wikipedia article omitted the crucial fact that the government line was a complete failure.