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Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by CarelessExpert on Sunday September 12, 2021 @05:12PM (#28504997)
> Somewhere along the line we went from “flatten the curve” to “no one can ever get sick again”.

Oh please, no public health official has ever said that, and you know it.

The problem is the curve isn't flat, thanks to 1) Delta, and 2) vaccine hesitancy. There's a reason ICUs in the American south are at or over capacity.

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Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by CarelessExpert on Sunday September 12, 2021 @05:55PM (#28505389)
Well, then you should be able to find some excellent examples of public officials (I'll welcome comments from the CDC, WHO, state level health authorities, or similar expert organizations) making the claim that "no one can ever get sick again"! I look forward to the voluminous citations supporting your claims.

As an aside, I find it amusing yet entirely unsurprising that you're of the persuasion to believe the term "woke" is somehow a pejorative. But nice work throwing around what you believe to be insults.

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Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by CarelessExpert on Sunday September 12, 2021 @06:01PM (#28505429)
Nowhere in that quote does Fauci say "no one can get sick again". He's literally talking about flattening the curve and the reason for doing so.

Either your reading comprehension is lacking or you need to try harder.

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Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by CarelessExpert on Sunday September 12, 2021 @06:13PM (#28505542)
Oh the implication! Well, you got me there. Obviously we can't just read what he said and take it at face value...
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by spookthesunset on Sunday September 12, 2021 @09:33PM (#28506915)
It’s complete gaslighting. There was even animated charts plastered over everybody’s Facebook posts.

“Two weeks to flatten the curve and build up hospital capacity”.

Right down the memory hole and people calling you crazy. Gaslighting.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by abraae on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:59PM (#28504869)
> to the point where you sort of start feeling like the experts don't really know what they’re talking about either

Speak plainly. Waffling language like this is commonly used by conspiracy theorists who don't want to come out and say anything clearly and plainly, because it could quickly be shot down by the actual facts. Instead they use speech patterns like this to create a hazy word cloud that breeds uncertainty.

Do you really think the experts don't know what they are talking about? Say so then. Enough with the snarky insinuation.

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Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by bobbytit on Sunday September 12, 2021 @07:58PM (#28506344)
What about last year when they were talking about natural immunity passports before vaccines were available, now they pretend natural immunity does not exist!
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by spookthesunset on Sunday September 12, 2021 @09:34PM (#28506929)
Immunity is a right wing talking point. We’ve politicized the immune system.
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by jpster on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:41PM (#28504200)
> Somewhere along the line we went from “flatten the curve” to “no one can ever get sick again”.

You’re right — I haven’t heard “flatten the curve” rhetoric since the earlier days of the pandemic. Taking the vaccine helps prevent healthcare systems from crashing. In highly vaccinated areas, is it accurate to now say, “Mission accomplished”? I don’t think so, given that children under 12 can’t be vaccinated. And yet we are sending them back to in-person learning in droves….

+1 about the inconsistent messaging and logic.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by spookthesunset on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:47PM (#28504762)
Children aren’t at risk of covid. Flu and pool drowning is greater risks…

In my opinion these public health “experts” have a moral obligation to tell people to stop worrying about kids. I honestly don’t understand why they haven’t cheered the fact kids aren’t at risk. It’s good news!

The cynical side of me thinks they want to let people remain scared so they gobble up kids vaccines when released. Which is pretty ethically challenged but par for course with these “experts”.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by endemic on Sunday September 12, 2021 @06:14PM (#28505555)
My kids get flu shots every year.
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by nickthemagicman on Monday September 13, 2021 @04:18AM (#28509012)
What data are you using that shows hospital systems crashing?

Not media articles but where is the actual data you're using to make this claim?

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by depingus on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:19PM (#28503995)
> were told prevents us from getting sick

I never heard this. I belive many people jumped to this conclusion on their own. Because they associate vaccination with immunization.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by Sevii on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:30PM (#28504094)
People believe this because most vaccines are sterilizing. If you get the measles vaccine you can't get measles again ever. The Covid and flu vaccines don't work that way.
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by javagram on Sunday September 12, 2021 @05:08PM (#28504957)
Re: measles, this isn’t necessarily the case. Breakthrough infections have been known and discussed before.[0] The measles vaccine efficacy is estimated at 97% implying 3% chance of a breakthrough.

However, Covid-19 vaccine efficacy against infection was originally 93-95% but has dropped to 60% or less against the Delta variant. A lot of discussion seems to ignore this. To get back to the 90% plus efficacy we’ll need the vaccine to be re-tuned against delta, which no one seems in a rush to do for some reason…

[0] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31039835/ “In an outbreak of measles in Gothenburg, Sweden, breakthrough infections (i.e. infections in individuals with a history of vaccination) were common. [. . .] Sixteen of 28 confirmed cases of measles in this outbreak were breakthrough infections.”

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by mdp2021 on Sunday September 12, 2021 @06:55PM (#28505821)
Can I interest you in

Katherine J. Wu (The Atlantic) - We’re Asking the Impossible of Vaccines // Complete protection against infection has long been hailed as the holy grail of vaccination. It might simply be unachievable.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/09/steriliz...

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by matwood on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:28PM (#28504074)
> So we all took a vaccine that we were told prevents us from getting sick

At no point have I ever seen anyone claim the vaccine is 100% effective.

Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by nemo44x on Sunday September 12, 2021 @03:55PM (#28504335)
Should have used “protects” instead of “prevents” - bad word choice on my end.
Re:I Got a 'Mild' Breakthrough Case by shapefrog on Monday September 13, 2021 @04:29AM (#28509058)
> claim the vaccine is 100% effective.

They were very clear in the press releases that it was 95% effective.