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Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by gambiting on Friday September 10, 2021 @06:18PM (#28487544)
Here in UK if a company wants to charge you regularly for anything they have to start something called a "direct debit" on your bank account - then they can withdraw money from your account whenever they see fit. The thing about direct debits though is that you can cancel them for any reason within few clicks on your account website, and all charges are reversible without having to provide a reason - I just call my bank and say I want to reverse a direct debit charge X, done.

I know the American system is bad, but it's not like the only system in the world. There are other ways of doing this, without going through Apple's closed ecosystem.

Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by gutnor on Friday September 10, 2021 @07:35PM (#28488048)
I may not understand properly what you are saying but here in the UK you can have regular payment on your credit/debit card. Except for Utilities, basically all my recurring payments just happen like that. Netflix does not require a Direct Debit, neither does a variety of service, including Apple iCloud.

Although you can chargeback those payment, that's not really a cancellation. It's a last recourse type of stuff. I'm still subscribed and liable for whatever charge I have incurred. If I want to cancel Netflix or iCloud, I need to go there. So sure, if the payment fails your account will eventually be suspended but not necessarily cancelled.

Even Direct Debit are like that. I cancelled my Electricity DD by accident, but I still received the bill in the mail (at the time) and the electricity wasn't just cut.

Also in the UK, Paypal will allow to setting up subscription. Similarly you can cancel the subscription, but it is not a cancellation of the service. You need to go to whatever setup the subscription and unsubscribe there.

Apple system is a centralised cancellation of the service first, the fact that the payment are stopped is a consequence of cancelling the service. Not the other way around as with all the systems I listed.

Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by wildfire on Saturday September 11, 2021 @05:16AM (#28490558)
UK direct debits are only for debit accounts.

But most of the commentators are talking about credit cards.

There is no equivalent system for credit cards.

Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by zajio1am on Saturday September 11, 2021 @05:13AM (#28490549)
> Here in UK if a company wants to charge you regularly for anything they have to start something called a "direct debit" on your bank account - then they can withdraw money from your account whenever they see fit

Here in Czechia most periodic payments are paid through either direct debit or standing order. Direct debit payments require apriori permission (enabled for each recipient max sum per period), which could be revoked at any time.

Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by znpy on Friday September 10, 2021 @07:34PM (#28488035)
Yup, same here in Italy.

The infuriating thing is that some american users think that since they have to endure crappy banking then everybody else on the planet must also be enduring the same thing, and that's not the case.

I must explicitly approve any direct debit subscription before it can withdraw money from my balance and I can kill a subscription from my home banking (I'm an Unicredit customer btw).

That's actually how I made sure my gym subscription was terminated for good.

Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by nixass on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:00AM (#28489947)
> That's actually how I made sure my gym subscription was terminated for good.

If for nothing else, the angry Americans downvoted you to hell for this

Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by znpy on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:25AM (#28499480)
I can't hear them over the sound of proper banking :P
Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by rootusrootus on Saturday September 11, 2021 @09:34AM (#28491850)
Probably because it incorrectly characterizes the typical US banking system experience while throwing shade on Americans.
Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by FDSGSG on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:19AM (#28490023)
Very likely that doing this will still mess up your credit ratings and result in calls from debt collectors, even if you're in Europe.
Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by gambiting on Saturday September 11, 2021 @04:34AM (#28490369)
Over a 10 euro/month subscription? Zero chance. Even in Europe.
Re:Court issues permanent injunction in Epic vs. Apple case by FDSGSG on Saturday September 11, 2021 @01:01PM (#28493574)
There are also 720 euro/month gym subscriptions in Europe, and probably everything in between.

Just a 30 euro/month subscription would quickly add up to amounts worth collecting, although I've even had a debt collector call me over a debt of 2 something euros.