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Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by ashtonkem on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:28PM (#28486518)
As I keep saying: there’s nothing more dangerous than a company (or department in this case) that was once wildly profitable and is now merely profitable.

It’s absurd that even at places like Google, which has effectively infinite money, there’s still this present attitude of not being able to afford paying workers. Nuts.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by RIMR on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:35PM (#28486589)
It's not that they don't think they can afford to pay fairly. It's that the decision makers are incentivized to cut every possible cost and are rewarded for it with multimillion dollar bonuses.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by ashtonkem on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:40PM (#28486637)
Yes, you’re right. I worded my post for the sake of glibness and not clarity.

I think what’s particularly fascinating is not the relentless drive for more profits, that’s been hashed to death and I have nothing original to offer here, but how the internal narrative of “we can’t afford to pay them” holds in cases where it’s transparent bullshit. Of course Google can afford to pay its temp workers a fair wage, and of course they don’t want to. It’s just surprising that the story they tell themselves is so trivially falsifiable.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by abdabab on Friday September 10, 2021 @08:13PM (#28488272)
Maybe you were talking about other companies. Google is still wildly profitable.

> the company just set an all-time record revenue of $61.9 billion this quarter, and record profits for the fourth quarter in a row at $18.5 billion.

From https://www.theverge.com/2021/7/27/22596592/google-q2-2021-r...

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by stephenhuey on Friday September 10, 2021 @10:48PM (#28489034)
Wow, at what point do their profits balloon enough that Google's moat is no longer intimidating enough to fend off a gold rush of people willing to pour heaps of money and ingenuity into outdoing their search product? I've been searching with Google since the beginning and it definitely feels worse than in the days of yore, yet they make more money than ever...
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by CameronNemo on Saturday September 11, 2021 @12:44PM (#28493403)
Who has access to the amount of data that Google does? Microsoft and Apple come to mind, but they are already profitable for their own reasons so may not want to risk their current profit centers doing the "shady" work Google is known for (not necessarily saying Google is evil/shady, but their products have a reputation).
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by nerdponx on Monday September 13, 2021 @02:25AM (#28508380)
Microsoft pretty clearly does "shady" stuff with all the Windows desktop telemetry and ads.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by dannyobrien on Friday September 10, 2021 @11:20PM (#28489177)
They don't make money at search, they make money on advertising.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by chalst on Saturday September 11, 2021 @07:04AM (#28490942)
Yes, a moat is not a profit centre, it is a cost centre. You appear to have misunderstood the point you replied to.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by ashtonkem on Friday September 10, 2021 @09:09PM (#28488581)
“Or department”

Regardless, the fear of marginally reducing profits drives companies to do a bunch of things that are fundamentally pretty gross.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by CamperBob2 on Friday September 10, 2021 @09:19PM (#28488636)
You know what they say, though... you don't get infinite money by cutting a lot of checks.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by jollybean on Friday September 10, 2021 @10:30PM (#28488967)
Google is wildly profitable.

It's understandable that a company, crunched for cash, ends up in odd situations.

It's not acceptable when you're sitting on mountains of cash - and - claim to have some kind of moral situation in commerce.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by chobeat on Saturday September 11, 2021 @07:02AM (#28490933)
They are profitable exactly because they don't pay workers the worth they produce. Profit is literally that.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by bregma on Saturday September 11, 2021 @07:42AM (#28491133)
Profit is the difference between the cost to produce a good or service and the revenue generated from it. Cost of labour is just one aspect of the cost to produce a good or service.

Google is exploitative because they don't fully compensate the value of labour used in production. This is wrong and damnable and illegal in any reasonable jurisdiction. Google is profitable. This is not wrong and commendable in most places. The concepts should not be conflated.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by beepbooptheory on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:37PM (#28487185)
Its not really "dangerous" only because that wording implies another state of possible affairs that could be safer.

unfortunately, ceteris paribus, the tendency of a rate of profit to ultimately slow is one of the costs of a free market, there is not really a way out of it long term!

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by ashtonkem on Saturday September 11, 2021 @12:19AM (#28489399)
> Its not really "dangerous" only because that wording implies another state of possible affairs that could be safer.

I generally use this phrase in the context of companies being willing to do anything to get back to being wildly profitable. And in that case, yes, there is quite a bit of danger towards basically everyone else.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by worik on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:52PM (#28487311)
Where is this thing called "Free Market"?
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by specialist on Saturday September 11, 2021 @01:06AM (#28489564)
I was recently reminded that Milton Friedman -- profit, err, prophet of Freedom Markets™ -- actively eschewed empiricism.

It's not that these sages didn't understand. They refused. They actively rejected understanding.

Our epistemological crisis, where we don't even have a shared reality, has ancient roots.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by stadium on Friday September 10, 2021 @06:18PM (#28487541)
Competition from Facebook and now Amazon ad businesses eating away at profit margins