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Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by willcipriano on Friday September 10, 2021 @03:50PM (#28486173)
Sounds like they were caught red handed, mens rea and all. Any chance this ends up with serious repercussions like prison time?
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by Ansil849 on Friday September 10, 2021 @03:52PM (#28486191)
> any chance this ends up with serious repercussions like prison time

When has any staff member of a FAANG company faced prison time for a similar crime? Not a rhetorical question, I'm genuinely curious though my instinct is to say 'never'.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by aemreunal on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:33PM (#28486572)
The only one I can think of was Anthony Levandowski for stealing Waymo's trade secrets but he was pardoned a few months later.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by wizzwizz4 on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:43PM (#28486660)
That's not really a similar crime; that's a crime against another corporation.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by sli on Friday September 10, 2021 @08:36PM (#28488392)
Even still, the guy got a pardon after 33 federal charges and pleading guilty to one of them. The average person would never get even a hint of a chance at that (or, frankly, such a tiny sentence -- 18 months, 6 served before pardon).
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by nicoffeine on Friday September 10, 2021 @09:12PM (#28488602)
Rich white dudes have a lot of empathy for other rich white dudes.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by inerte on Friday September 10, 2021 @08:50PM (#28488477)
Not similar, but https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/former-netflix-executiv... I am not really sure if he was arrested yet, or ever.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by syshum on Friday September 10, 2021 @06:13PM (#28487496)
Executives only go to jail if

1. They do something to harm the government (i.e Tax evasion)

2. They do something to harm a Rich person

3. They do something to harm another multinational corporation

If they just harm a few citizens... the government literally does not care

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by BingoAhoy on Friday September 10, 2021 @10:22PM (#28488939)
Laws written by the powerful to serve the powerful. That's American plutocratic Justice for yah. Designed intentionally, just like this Google system of contracted companies.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by paxys on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:45PM (#28487244)
The only time this happens is when the employee was harming the company in any way (insider trading, selling IP etc). It's pretty obvious who the law favors in these situations.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by dekhn on Friday September 10, 2021 @06:10PM (#28487476)
I was going to say that Italy convincted David Drummond in absentia but it turns out the sentence was suspended so he wouldn't actually have to go to jail.
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by nullc on Friday September 10, 2021 @06:24PM (#28487577)
Years back Google and Apple conspired to illegally fix wages and were caught no less red handed, including executives emailing to keep the program out of email because it's illegal. The conspiracy even used threats of ruining other competitors with patent claims to force them to participate.

The fines and judgement they paid were but a tiny fraction of the cumulative wages they stole. The lesson was that wage theft is profitable.

Until we start imposing a corporate death penalty in situations like this there will be no reason for companies to not simply do the economic calculation and decide the defrauding their employees is the right thing to do for their bottom line, one that can be optimized by lowering the risk of prosecution by better obscuring the crime or building up a legal team that can tie up the largest of nation states in court for decades.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by bko on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:03PM (#28486303)
> Civil law vs. criminal law: Punishment

> Another important distinction between civil and criminal law is the type of penalty paid for being found guilty. In a criminal case, if the individual charged with a crime loses the case, they’re likely facing incarceration or some type of probation. For civil cases, the resolution to a case doesn’t result in the “losing” party going to jail. Often the judgement results in a financial penalty or an order to change behavior.

https://www.rasmussen.edu/degrees/justice-studies/blog/civil...

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by willcipriano on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:08PM (#28486343)
> Section 2 makes it an offence to commit fraud by false representation in any form. For a representation to be false, the representation being made must be wrong or misleading, and the person making it must know that it is, or might be, wrong or misleading.[0]

I think it is reasonable to presume that by paying it's contractors, Google and by virtue it's executive team was representing to said contractor that they were being paid according to the labor laws. Google executives knew that this was not the case, and withheld that information, likely in order to increase their own personal bonuses. That would seem to me to be theft by deception, illegal in every nation on earth as far as I can tell.

That's not even to mention the shareholders, who were defrauded as the company financials do not accurately reflect their labor liabilities. This in turn may have increased the value of Google stock, that then the people committing fraud around wages receive as a considerable portion of their compensation.

If knowingly lying for personal gain and costing potentially tens of thousands of people life changing amounts of money isn't fraud, what is?

[0]https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-fraud-act-200...

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by dodobirdlord on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:18PM (#28486422)
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by ChrisLomont on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:11PM (#28486938)
>costing potentially tens of thousands of people life changing amounts of money

Have any numbers on this implication? How much is life changing in your opinion? Is there evidence this many people were shorted near that amount?

It's hard to imagine that local wages are life changing for those "potentially tens of thousands of people" but paying market clearing wages would be significantly different.

Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by willcipriano on Friday September 10, 2021 @06:31PM (#28487637)
If the amounts of money involved or the number of parties is small, why commit the fraud?
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by ChrisLomont on Saturday September 11, 2021 @03:49AM (#28490169)
That doesn't address your claim. Do you have evidence for what you wrote?
Re:Google illegally underpaid thousands of workers by scohesc on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:32PM (#28487125)
The feds shouldn't do anything until bonuses are handed out to the board of directors then snag them all away. Options, stocks, hard cash, a new car? Yoink!