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Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by ericbarrett on Friday September 10, 2021 @12:46PM (#28484076)
Oracle sells to executives, not technical staff.

Training on Oracle tech is via certified classes, provided “free” by your employer as part of their licensing deal; not online discovery.

Source: sold to and worked with Oracle Inc. for several years, got a front row seat at the sausage factory.

Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by gvenzl on Friday September 10, 2021 @06:23PM (#28487569)
Besides training for Oracle University, Oracle has a couple of free learning and training resources out there on the web too.

https://livesql.oracle.com --> A SQL scratchpad that also includes scripts and tutorials.

Oracle Live Labs (https://apexapps.oracle.com/pls/apex/dbpm/r/livelabs/home) --> Granted, while it's easier googled as "Oracle Live Labs" than to remember that URL, it does, however, provide free Hands-On Labs for users.

https://oracle.github.io/learning-library/ --> The instructions for the Hands-On Labs above and more can be found in the learning-library

asktom.oracle.com --> I fully free Q&A portal where you can ask Oracle Database employees for help. Furthermore, it offers regular "Office Hours" live webinars and an entire course of learning Oracle Database: https://asktom.oracle.com/databases-for-developers.htm

Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by oldsecondhand on Friday September 10, 2021 @02:31PM (#28485429)
I've got to attend some free Oracle classes at uni (taught by Oracle employees), they were horribly boring. I don't think they'd have any chance at selling to technical staff even if they tried.
Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by MangoCoffee on Friday September 10, 2021 @03:25PM (#28485973)
>Oracle sells to executives, not technical staff.

agree. i have a year or two with Oracle Apex. at a pervious job, we were using Java to develop a web app but a executive saw how fast you can create a web page/app with Oracle Apex. we switch over since we already using Oracle for database.

Enterprise software is not targeting you (techies). its for CxOs.

Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by piyh on Friday September 10, 2021 @04:17PM (#28486416)
We kludged together an apex reporting solution to replace an old payroll UI. It was quick to work with in relation to the number of reports we were able to publish.
Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by laumars on Friday September 10, 2021 @02:47PM (#28485589)
It’s more than that. Oracle is sold off the back of its middleware applications. Which equally suck too…but at least they’re solving difficult problems that most other database vendors don’t both with.
Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by revscat on Friday September 10, 2021 @02:50PM (#28485622)
Such as?
Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by laumars on Sunday September 12, 2021 @04:09AM (#28499422)
Such as enterprise level accountancy solutions, human resource packages, payroll solutions (which is the where I worked with Oracle) and so on and so forth.

A lot of the time when businesses by Oracle, they’re buying into the middleware rather than the RDBMS.

Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by chasil on Friday September 10, 2021 @07:08PM (#28487876)
All the apps they bought.

Siebel, PeopleSoft, BEA Weblogic.

I was the DBA for a Siebel instance for ten years.

I would say J.D. Edwards, but that's AS400/DB2.

SAP is also a big driver, although they don't want to be (so much so that they bought Sybase).

Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by peapicker on Saturday September 11, 2021 @01:24AM (#28489612)
J.D.Edwards old World product was AS400, but EnterpriseOne (formerly OneWorld) is also Linux, Windows, AIX, Solaris, HPUX, and IBMi and is still very much alive. Runs on Oracle DB, MS SQL Server, and DB2.
Re:Problems with Oracle SQL by p_l on Saturday September 11, 2021 @08:33AM (#28491466)
In addition to Oracle owned middleware, it's common to end up running Oracle because your vendor supports only it.

Sometimes with somewhat sensible reasons, like Oracle combining clustering and in-memory encryption, but it still means you don't get to choose...