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Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by walterbell on Thursday September 09, 2021 @06:22PM (#28475344)
They increase the risk of asymptomatic transmission, because vaccines suppress the symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine. The CDC says this can be addressed by regular testing of the vaccinated, https://archive.is/PW9SP

> The agency now advises that vaccinated people be tested for the virus if they come into contact with someone with Covid-19, even if they have no symptoms... “Our updated guidance recommends vaccinated people get tested upon exposure regardless of symptoms,” Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, the agency’s director, said in an email to The New York Times. “Testing is widely available.”

Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by tfehring on Thursday September 09, 2021 @06:33PM (#28475458)
Do you have a source for the claim that a vaccinated person is more likely than an unvaccinated person to transmit the virus asymptomatically?
Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by walterbell on Thursday September 09, 2021 @06:35PM (#28475478)
That wasn't the claim. The claim was that an unvaccinated person can self-isolate when they observe symptoms.

As the CDC said above, absence of symptoms is not a sufficient indicator for a vaccinated person. If a vaccinated person is tested regularly, they can self-isolate upon a positive test result, since they can't rely on symptoms as a signal.

Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by MagnumOpus on Friday September 10, 2021 @05:58AM (#28479514)
> absence of symptoms is not a sufficient indicator for a vaccinated person

Absence of symptoms is not a sufficient indicator for the unvaxed either, so your argument falls apart.

Why isn't 90% reduction in ICU occupation and 70% reduction in chance of infection a sufficient argument for the public benefits? Just because it is not perfect, you'd rather let the country's hospitals overload and shut down?

Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by cmrdporcupine on Friday September 10, 2021 @08:10AM (#28480391)
The problem with COVID-19 all along has been that it is transmissible before being symptomatic. That is why it spread like wildfire when SARS and MERS did not. Listened to a good interview on NPR some months ago with a leading coronavirus expert who went over this in detail, but unfortunately can't remember her name or find the interview right now.

In any case, vaccines don't really change the equation here. Testing for temperature and symptoms with COVID have proven to be ineffective because asymptomatic transmission in the early stages is a thing with COVID-19 even without vaccination.

Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by ac29 on Thursday September 09, 2021 @06:54PM (#28475648)
> symptoms of infection, which would otherwise signal the infected person to quarantine

I'm not sure that people who have chosen not to get vaccinated by this point are going to be the people who follow self-quarantine rules well.

Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by walterbell on Thursday September 09, 2021 @07:00PM (#28475707)
Some of those who have chosen not to get vaccinated are those already recovered from Covid, who now have natural immunity. This includes many essential workers and first responders, who worked throughout 2020 without the protection of a vaccine.

That leaves the subset of non-immune people who are unvaccinated. If this hypothetical person is reckless (as your comment suggests), should they not have already been infected in the past 18 months? If they were not infected in 18 months, that suggests at least some ability to isolate and self-monitor.

Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by gbear605 on Friday September 10, 2021 @08:49AM (#28480772)
Natural immunity is not as strong as the immunity provided by the vaccines and the immunity provided by both together is much stronger. Having already had COVID is no reason not to get vaccinated.
Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by phendrenad2 on Thursday September 09, 2021 @09:24PM (#28476741)
They increase the risk of asymptotic transmission, but decrease the risk of transmission overall.
Re:OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or... by walterbell on Thursday September 09, 2021 @10:58PM (#28477278)
How do you reach that conclusion?