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Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by COGlory on Thursday September 09, 2021 @01:01PM (#28471883)
What a stupid article.

>XMPP and many other technologies were already there

This is so obviously far from the truth. XMPP is lacking in so many different features that Matrix has.

>Matrix is not a community-based software, it was born [00] in Amdocs [01], a multinational corporation founded in Israel.

>On the Internet we find many pieces information connecting Amdocs with Israel’s Intelligence]

Ah here comes the "its the jews" argument

One thing I never understood. I can run a chat server hosted on the computer next to me. It is e2e encrypted. I can use any number of clients or servers, some developed by New Vector, some not. I can easily send images, text, voice, etc. I can bridge it to dozens of other services. I can federate if I choose to, with other servers. Or, I can not federate if I decide not to.

What the heck is insecure about that? Other than vague promises that the Jews have my data?

Did I simply miss the crux of this entire article?

Who cares about Matrix.org? Seriously. It's a technology. That's one implementation of the technology. It's not mine, though. That's what makes Matrix special. Did people harp on XMPP for Google collecting data over it?

Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by bluedays on Thursday September 09, 2021 @01:08PM (#28471994)
I think you're the only one who said the Jews.
Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by echelon on Thursday September 09, 2021 @01:25PM (#28472208)
I don't particularly care about that part. It could just as well be any intelligence agency. It doesn't really matter which.

This is the piece I find interesting:

> We do not recommend Matrix because we find unacceptable that a software widely hyped as decentralized is released sending a scandalous collection of private data to their central servers, even if you run your own instance.

Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by miloignis on Thursday September 09, 2021 @01:37PM (#28472368)
Interesting, but also a combination of never-true and no-longer-true. They wrote a blogpost in 2019 that covers the situation & fixes well: https://www.matrix.org/blog/2019/09/27/privacy-improvements-...
Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by szszrk on Thursday September 09, 2021 @03:13PM (#28473488)
If we are bashing "agencies", let's have a look at those tiny little projects like, SeLinux for instance. Or any other from this site https://code.nsa.gov/
Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by gizdan on Thursday September 09, 2021 @03:39PM (#28473769)
> One thing I never understood. I can run a chat server hosted on the computer next to me. It is e2e encrypted.

> What the heck is insecure about that? Other than vague promises that the Jews have my data?

I mean, if it's connected to any intelligence (I'm not saying it is, nor do I know anything about Matrix's history), it being secure may just be a facade.

Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by aine on Thursday September 09, 2021 @06:08PM (#28475222)
It's open source, so you can check the code.

Funny thing, there are lots of contributors to matrix stack (protocol, sever, etc) and only some part of them are New Vector employees, because it's open source. Again, you can check that yourself in matrix repos

Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by gizdan on Friday September 10, 2021 @03:13AM (#28478613)
Sure, but open source doesn't mean it's free from bugs, unintended or intended, and if any intelligence is behind it (again, I don't know enough about this, so I'm not saying it is), then you can bet that there are some intended bugs in there that will allow said intelligence to at least listen in.
Re:Matrix? No, Thanks by aine on Friday September 10, 2021 @01:26PM (#28484648)
I agree about bugs, but doubt any intelligence can use fully open source tools to integrate backdoor or at least "ears".

Of course, I'm not employee of any intelligence and can't prove that, but that's just my opinion