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Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by AussieWog93 on Thursday September 09, 2021 @12:03AM (#28466074)
>I am wondering why mobile apps too haven't entirely been replaced by Web apps

Harder to track people and feed them ads.

Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by AnthonyMouse on Thursday September 09, 2021 @12:47AM (#28466313)
> Harder to track people and feed them ads.

This is it. And it's really the app stores that make them so.

On desktop, people are wary about installing programs, because they can pretty much do anything. So you can get people to visit your website who would never in a million years install your app on their PC.

With app stores, people assume that apps are safe, because that's what they were promised. But then the apps are hoovering up all their personal information, even more than they get from a web page on a desktop. And the app stores that claim to be constraining bad behavior don't kick them out for it because huge social networks are some of the few companies with enough market power to divert their users to another phone platform.

Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by pantulis on Thursday September 09, 2021 @02:38AM (#28466957)
I dont think parent was refering to web as in "web sites you can open in Safari", but apps built with web technologies, as in Ionic or similar.
Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by blub on Thursday September 09, 2021 @05:26AM (#28467868)
Your comment can be interpreted in two opposite ways, but it seems you meant that native apps allow the better tracking and ad delivery.

While mobile apps are quite awful from this perspective, you must consider that the web is by far the most efficient platform for ad delivery and tracking.

It's the web which has cookie pop-ups with dozens and dozens of companies that want to track you.

It's the web which led to the development of ad blockers.

It's the web where an app developer has full access to your data on their servers.

It's the web where an app developer can at any time flip a switch and turn on telemetry, ads, etc.

Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by xfer on Thursday September 09, 2021 @12:15AM (#28466135)
No it isn't, even the govt apps in my country have ads in them. With firefox i can easily block them, for apps this becomes much harder, if dns blocking isn't sufficient.
Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by AussieWog93 on Thursday September 09, 2021 @12:16AM (#28466138)
Yep, that's exactly what I was saying!
Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by scns on Thursday September 09, 2021 @05:25AM (#28467862)
What The Flying spaghetti monster?
Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by Razengan on Thursday September 09, 2021 @12:31AM (#28466209)
> Harder to track people and feed them ads.

In native apps, you mean?

Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by AussieWog93 on Thursday September 09, 2021 @12:42AM (#28466280)
It's not about whether they're native code or using a cross-platform API, but the fact that they're not web pages running in a browser. This allows them to "phone home" even when they're just running in the background, push notifications and bypass certain types of Adblocking (such as uBlock in Firefox).

There is a good reason why so many websites push you to use the apps on mobile.

Re:The web is swallowing the desktop whole (2017) by scns on Thursday September 09, 2021 @05:34AM (#28467914)
On Android you can block every app with relatively fine grained control via TrackerControl [0]. Sometimes a little fiddly but worth it IMHO. You can download directly from the site, use the official client or use the much snappier Foxy Droid [1] that lacks features but i still recommend it.

[0] https://f-droid.org/de/packages/net.kollnig.missioncontrol.f...

[1] https://f-droid.org/de/packages/nya.kitsunyan.foxydroid/