How can a medical treatment become so political? Requiring lawyers to enforce stopping or starting ivermectin treatment?

When the politicians blatantly contradict the advice of medical professionals all you get is propaganda. Good luck fighting back. This already happend in a lot of countries and has lead (together with Dr. Google) to an undermining of medical profession. I'm not saying that the doctors are all angels but, when you rely on politicians for medical advice, you get what you paid for.

Because saying and doing the opposite of what the govt(FDA/CDC) recommend is fashionable in some circles. Ivermectin and HCQ are pushed as magic cures for Covid to make antivax more palatable.

At first CDC said Covid was dangerous? No it's not dangerous at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o

Recipient of the highest civilian honor in the US with 15 million highly engaged listeners told them covid was just a cold hyped up to hurt the then POTUS politically.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/25/rush-limbaug...

Why would there be vaccine uptake if people are led to believe it's not dangerous and there are magic cures for it if they do get it?

The entire world doesn't run on CDC's advice. In both the cases, Indian doctors were administering HCQ/Ivermectin wherever it was necessary and they didn't find it to be a problem.

American media then politicised it weeks or months later.

I can't think of a reason for why CDC/Media is talking down these medicines which the rest of the countries administer just fine.

India also had people promoting cow urine as a cure, so maybe you’d want to take their treatment advice with a grain of salt.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/video/viral/controversial-ayurvedi...

https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/have-cow-urine-to...

Because it’s not effective. It’s that simple.

If you're so sure it's not effective then why is the NIH sponsoring the ACTIV-6 clinical trial?

https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initi...

They study everything as they should. Normal people should just get the vaccine and go on with their normal lives.

Just go on with their lives? Are you suggesting that vaccination alone is sufficient and that normal people should ignore additional simple steps they can take to reduce their risk? Seems rather cavalier, at least for those in higher risk groups.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2020.1...

https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2021/07/21/bjsports-2021-...

> Are you suggesting that vaccination alone is sufficient and that normal people should ignore additional simple steps they can take to reduce their risk

Yes

That is unknown because the randomized trials that have been done so far have been too small to show an effect at a p<.05 level. They have generally shown a positive effect for ivermectin though and thus the need for a big trial to settle the matter. There are a couple of big trials in progress so hopefully we will have some more clarity on this soon.

That may be true, we'll know when there's a controlled study. But it wasn't politicised as much when other countries were doing it.

People decided that doctors have their best interests in mind and they would do everything they can to save them.

Also the media in other countries were not running disingenuous stories calling them fish tank cleaners and horse dewormers. Looks like people have a huge distrust of American media/CDC and that's their own doing.

Probably because a lot of people are taking veterinary formulations, which you shouldn’t do because they are designed for horses! We have perfectly functioning vaccines and monoclonal antibody treatments you don’t need to get sketchy prescriptions or horse anti-parasitics!

Respectfully, you are incorrect. Look at the data.

COVID-19 early treatment: real-time analysis of 912 studies https://c19early.com

India would like a word with you about that.

Because bloviating/posturing against the advice and knowledge of scientists who have dedicated their lives to studying diseases is part of the anti-education playbook that the loudest and under-educated of the populace have hitched their wagon to.

"might makes right", "those eggheads are being paid by big pharma" etc. etc. etc.

Tedious lack of education, sadly leading to preventable deaths.

FYI, your account is shadow banned.

It's not shadow banned. They were explicitly banned.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25770512

If you think the comment is worth vouching, comment on its content.

What is a shadow ban?

The pills used for human use and the pills used for livestock are, in fact, different. Both contain ivermectin, but in not just different dosages, but with different active ingredients other than ivermectin designed to help deliver the drug in exact way required.

So, yes, please stop taking veterinary supplies as precautionary medication

The NIH has already commenced a large clinical study of ivermectin (and other drugs) to see if it's effective. Despite politics the bureaucracy is still functioning.

https://www.nih.gov/research-training/medical-research-initi...

Do you know what else stops viruses from replicating in-vitro? Bleach, alcohol, baking soda, hydrochloric acid, probably even concentrated sugar and salt solutions. In-vitro results don't really prove anything. Is there a double blind study that proves effectiveness In Vivo?

I wouldn't call it proof, but there is at least one small double blind study that showed statistically significant effectiveness in vivo. So it's certainly worth further research.

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/6/989

From an actual drug researcher.

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/ivermectin-covid-1...

"some kid manning the FDA Twitter account"... seriously?

while I agree with you, the FDA feel they need to tell people to stop self prescribing the horse version of ivermectin that caused the anti-poison hotline to be overwhelmed

Source on that? All I can find is a spike in calls, often framed by the headline as a large percentage increase in total ivermectin related calls, but the actual numbers of poisonings are trivial. As in 5 per year increasing to 16 or 17 being reported breathlessly as "245% increase in ivermectin related calls..." blah blah blah. It's statistically irrelevant. Even if it all happened in a single day it hardly seems like a busy afternoon for poison hotline agents.

Ivermectin has been politicized and the narrative is that idiot flyover state citizens are "overwhelming" various systems, but this is demonstrably false. It plays to the sneering smugness and self righteous outrage that seems the preferred political prod of late.

I personally know at least 5 people that bought the horse version of Ivermectin because of Joe Rogan podcast.

They haven't taken it yet and they told me if they get COVID they will take it. Which they assume will eventually happen since they are not planning to get vaccinated.

Feed store in red state are ordering ~20 boxes of Horse ivermectin each week and are still running out.