Probable cause operates quite different on the street from the way it works in a courtroom. After all, there are few to no penalties for police who make an incorrect call in this regard. Lack of promotion might be an incentive, but not all cops are trying to make detective or captain.

It's not just formal career consequences. It's also that a full request involves a whole rigamarole that the arresting officers have to go through that basically takes them out of their workday for as long as it takes to get you processed, and to complete the paperwork. They have actual jobs they're supposed to be doing. If they routinely arrest people for not revealing Twitter accounts, they won't be able to do that job.

I think for the most part people are well served by being told that they should simply say "no" to requests like these. The article has a different framing, that Californians should instead feel angrily but passively victimized by the process, which is I think not productive.

Cops dislike paperwork, but many of them also don't give a shit about their jobs except insofar as each day gets them one step closer to early retirement, with the payout based on whatever overtime they were able to rack up a few years prior.

Sure, people should just decline to share any information with police and many police won't push the point because it won't play out well. But some portion of the desirable assignments will flow toward those eager beavers who most assiduously supply the desires of the brass for more information. Legalities are one thing, the incentives and internal dynamics of the police department are something else, and they don't always line up neatly. Furthermore, not all police officers are rational utility maximizers who base their decision-making on optimizing their future wellbeing.

The gist of the article is not 'you're being passively victimized again, oh no' but nor is it, as you point out, 'they have nos uch right so don't be fooled.' The news here is that LAPD management have instituted a policy of maximizing data collection for pre-emptive surveillance purposes, which is something quite different from individual cops being overzealous or prosecutorial standards having shifted.

I think it's reasonable for the writer to be descriptive rather than prescriptive, and that it is not his job to act in loco parentis or in loco advocatus.

You know overtime is time and a half, right? Cops aren't worried about OKRs, if they're on patrol then whatever they do in a day is their job. If there's additional must-do work, hey, overtime hours.

Overtime has to be approved by supervisors. Officers can’t just decide to arrest someone with 1 minute to go before the end of each shift to pad their paycheck. They have to find another officer to hand off the arrest processing if they don’t have enough time remaining in their shift. Source: California police officer married to my sibling.

Also I think tptacek’s core point holds. Scarcity is the civilian’s best friend: scarcity of LEOs, scarcity of their shift hours, and scarcity of their time to collect some info which has absolutely zero bearing on their current case.

No doubt some LAPD gang unit officers may request this data more frequently from suspected gang members (even if it doesn’t sound like an optional request), but I tend to think tptacek’s suggestion that this article could have been better written by informing the reader when they are legally obligated to comply with police requests and when they can be denied without increasing any legal liability.

I'm with you on the advisory part.

My impression is that it's all about negotiating the interaction without winding up in a contest of your rights vs them doing their job. If it goes that way, it seems like "this guy was being a real asshole, boss" is all it takes from the officer for justification.

I guess, on the advisory front, tips on non-escalatory language are probably the biggest win.

Does "You May Beat the Rap, But You Can't Beat The Ride" mean anything to you?

Yes. It means the cop knows that you won't get charged or convicted, which means he lacks probable cause for arrest, thereby committing a felony.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-l...

Unfortunately, prosecutors are chicken shit when it comes to criminal cops.

Unless an officer openly admits to deliberately wrongfully arresting someone good luck prevailing on that in court. Even if a prosecutor was willing to, the bar for qualified immunity is extremely low.

Qualified immunity has nothing to do with criminal law.

Ah, yes, I don't know why I was conflating criminal prosecution with civil litigation around police misconduct. Prosecutors could charge and convict them in many cases but you're right, they won't.

Not in this context, no.

Stop resisting! That's it, we're taking you in for public obtuseness and resisting arrest. Yeah, yeah, you can make a phone call at the station, stop resisting.