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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by corey_moncure on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:35PM (#28460407)
The CDC collects these statistics. You would find, for instance, that more black people die each year from falling out of bed than they do at the hands of cops while unarmed (Unironically, provably true; look it up before you downvote... ideally no innocent person would die during police interactions). Clearly, whatever motivates policy and politics has no resemblance to a proportional risk-based assessment.
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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by cammikebrown on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:03PM (#28460849)
I went ahead and looked it up. According to google, in the US 650 die falling out of bed per year[1], while about 1000 are killed by police, about 20-25% of those police victims being black (while the US black population is around 14%).[2]

Falling deaths are quite common among the elderly. Police shootings, not so much.

  https://danger.mongabay.com/injury_death.htm
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-de...
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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by hunterb123 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:38PM (#28461319)
He said unarmed people. Those 1000 are mostly all armed.

There were 14 unarmed black victims and 25 unarmed white victims in 2019.

The number of unarmed black shooting victims is down 63% from 2015, when the database began.

The 14 unarmed victims in fatal police shootings would comprise only 0.2% of black homicides.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/police-black-killings-ho...

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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:38PM (#28460443)
There is no purpose in comparing those two things as one is self inflicted whereas the other is involves a second party’s actions.
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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by earthscienceman on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:59PM (#28460794)
The other problem overlooked in this analogy is that the killings are the most extreme symptom of a tyrannical police force that terrorizes (black) American citizens at an incredibly high rate, from harassment to physical abuse. Protests against the police are using killings as an example of the problem, not the complete summary.

And, to be clear, the police treat white Americans very poorly as well. It's just that they somehow manage to treat black Americans even worse.

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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by poetaster on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:36PM (#28462713)
An engineer friend, at VW, told me more people fall to their deaths from ladders than die on the autobahn. In DE, of course. He's one of those engineerz that evaluates the moral consequences of the companies processes, writ large. And you need an engineer for moral calculus. Sadly, this is still new territory for large companies.
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Re:20 years after 9/11: Will we ever stop taking our shoes o... by poetaster on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:38PM (#28462746)
Oh, and I alsi think this is a poor analogy. Mine is better (ducks).
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