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Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by paulpauper on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:26PM (#28460278)
Wages for professionals, such as law, medicine, tech, finance, consulting, etc., have really ballooned over the past decade, since 2008 especially, even after accounting for student loan debt and inflation. This makes working long hours more attractive, as the financial payoff is so great both in terms of wages but also by investing one's income in rapidly appreciating assets such as stocks and real estate (the post-2009 bull market is the biggest and longest ever). Consequently, there are many people on Reddit and Hacker News on popular subs such as /r/personalfinance , r/investing, /r/financialindependence, /r/wallstreetbets (a lot of gambling, yes, but also many rich people who have 6-figures to play with) and /r/fatfire who have amassed considerable wealth by late 20 or 30s. Putting in long hours in your 20s and 30s to have a massive nest egg that will last you the rest of your life by your 40s seems like a good trade-off.
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by dvt on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:53PM (#28460687)
> Putting in long hours in your 20s and 30s to have a massive nest egg that will last you the rest of your life by your 40s seems like a good trade-off.

Even amassing 7 figures by your late 20s/30s (very difficult to do reliably, also implies no debt, no adverse life events, etc.), is not remotely enough to make a "comfortable" living for the next ~5 decades of your life.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by cgh on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:45PM (#28461391)
It is if you own a house mortgage-free. Dividend income on let’s say $1.5 million would be around $60,000/year. That’s pretty comfortable if your expenses don’t include shelter.

That’s why my advice to young people is always to do what you have to in order to establish working credentials, then move somewhere cheap, buy a house and work remotely as much as you can. You’ll get it paid off in no time and that level of freedom cannot be overstated. Then you can start really saving.

On the downside, you’ll probably be living somewhere small and uncool and that may not be enough incentive to leave the bright lights of the city.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by dvt on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:52PM (#28461493)
> On the downside, you’ll probably be living somewhere small and uncool and that may not be enough incentive to leave the bright lights of the city.

This seems like social life suicide. I'm in my 30s, single, and omitted dating much in my 20s (because -- surprise surprise -- I was working way too much). I can't really move to the middle of nowhere where the dating pool is non-existent.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by mywittyname on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:50PM (#28462146)
Realistically though, 1.5MM brings in much more than $60k a year most of the time (an aggressive portfolio could return that much in a month, on occasion). So one could buy a place in a cool area with a cheap 30 year loan immediately before quitting. Live there for as long as you want, then sell it if you get the urge for a cheaper, less exciting lifestyle.

Even if one overspends a little extra in those initial years paying a mortgage on a nicer place, much of that will be recouped upon sale, since places in cool areas tend to appreciate quit quickly and mortgages are highly leveraged.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by echelon on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:57PM (#28462257)
> Realistically though, 1.5MM brings in much more than $60k a year most of the time.

How are you employing it?

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Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by mgkimsal on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @06:03PM (#28463612)
I saw some of your personal details before removed. You have.. $xM available, and still working to death?

"Where to get private health insurance?" Google it? I think pretty much every state has a BlueCross insurance company you can call up to ask. You'll probably spend between $500 and $1000/month, per person in your family, depending on state and age.

I despise employer-provided insurance - we have an entire culture of people who feel extra-dependent on 'employers' and who don't seem to know how to find out basic information.

You have a more than comfortable nest egg. Go pursue your passion before it's too late.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by mywittyname on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @06:10PM (#28463675)
A handful of Vanguard funds (VIGAX, VITAX, VFIAX, VWNDX) and the like.

The GP was talking solely about dividends, but most funds will re-balance and distribute long-term capital gains to you if you wish. If, in 2020, you held $1.5MM in a mix of those funds and instead of reinvesting dividends, long-term, & short-term capital gains, and instead redirected them to your bank account. You'd have something like $80k distributed and your market value would have increased to like 1.7-1.8MM.

Not that 2020 was a typical year or anything. But the past 8 or so years have told a similar story.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by felistoria on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:37PM (#28462722)
You need to get in contact with a high net worth investment advisory. I use Fisher Investments.
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by oh_sigh on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @07:00PM (#28464120)
If you have $6M, you can live the next 60 years on $100k/yr by simply storing it under your mattress. You should talk to a financial advisor, you almost certainly can retire now if you want to, even if you're 18 years old.
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by mensetmanusman on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:43PM (#28462060)
If you move there, then there will be at least one. Also, farmersonly.com (never thought I would see that Super Bowl commercial…)
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by collaborative on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:20PM (#28462516)
Online dating has changed this and you now can find decent sized dating pools anywhere you go. Unless you're very picky of course. You can also increase your matches to say 100 miles. Chances are your match will move in with you because you're already on top of your finances

Or you can date where you are, and then move somewhere cheap together

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by dvt on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:34PM (#28462685)
> Online dating has changed this and you now can find decent sized dating pools anywhere you go

This is a dubious claim, but I don't want to get into it, because I've debated this on HN ad nauseum.

> Or you can date where you are, and then move somewhere cheap together

What attractive, educated, socially-active woman in her 20s will want to move to the middle of nowhere once you get together or marry? I want to be around friends, family, alumni, and I'd wager so would she.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by walletburst on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:58PM (#28462265)
If by "affordable" you mean $200 - $300k for a decent house, there are A LOT of places in the USA that are NOT small and uncool where you can buy an affordable house.
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by cgh on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @06:16PM (#28463723)
Yeah true. I’m Canadian and the situation here is different, ie worse.
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by sombremesa on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @11:58PM (#28466049)
Your expenses will still include shelter, unless you've found a way around property tax.
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by pb7 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:15PM (#28461016)
$1M at 30 without any further contributions will be worth (after inflation) nearly $4M at 50, and nearly $8M at 60.

If you're not "comfortable" spending every single penny you make while your nest egg grows, you have a spending problem.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by bcrosby95 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:35PM (#28461274)
> that will last you the rest of your life by your 40s seems like a good trade-off.

I read that to mean "retire at 40". If you retire at 40, your $1M isn't going to grow to $4M at 50.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by mgkimsal on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @06:05PM (#28463630)
sure but if you keep spending moderate, it may grow to $2.5M-$3M, as it would probably already be around $2M in those 10 years. Instead of $8M at 60, perhaps you've spent along the way and only end up with $3M at 60?
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by bserge on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:59PM (#28460796)
Define comfortable
Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by sokoloff on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @08:49PM (#28464919)
For me, that’s targeting the same spendable money as the 95th percentile household who is earning a wage (paying high taxes on that), paying for a house, feeding two late model mid-luxury cars, and saving aggressively for retirement and college.

So, significantly less than what would be needed to hit $250K of pre-tax money ($6M or so), but rather a paid-off house (taxes and insurance only), no further college or retirement savings, tax-optimized withdrawals, and buying health insurance as the major effects. I’m guessing that it’s less than half of $6M (in today’s money) and probably under $2M to hit a 90th percentile spendable money figure.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by xyzzy21 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:24PM (#28462572)
It depends on what other choices you make in terms of costs.

If you are STUPID, you insist on living in hell-holes like California (LA or SF areas) and you lock yourself into foolish costs you can easily avoid. FOMO is an excellent and primary way to make you last statement a 100% certainty.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by Arisaka1 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @01:53PM (#28460677)
As an impoverished 30 year old I wish I was more focused in building and cultivating a career path. What I did instead was "a 9-5 on something I'm good at" (not coding as I'm career switching).

Guess what followed after that: Odd jobs. Yes, they pay the bills but they don't build career progression. You cannot sell yourself to someone to hire you for your 1 year experience in 8 different things. This is why considering the money alone isn't enough. And yes, you also need to be educated on personal finance because if you were born in a poor family chances are you'll be spending the money as soon as you touch them.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by adventured on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @02:09PM (#28460929)
> You cannot sell yourself to someone to hire you for your 1 year experience in 8 different things.

It heavily depends on what those things are. If you have one year of legitimate experience in cyber security right now, you've got a job almost anytime you want it. The same goes for many in-demand programming languages at present. That level of experience will not initially net you a very high paying tech job, however compared to the median it'll be a good paying job and you can work your way up from there.

Re:If You’re So Successful, Why Are You Still Working 70 Hou... by Arisaka1 on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:28PM (#28462608)
Yeah, but you can somewhat connect those. I mentioned "odd jobs" and I wouldn't call any of those you mentioned as such.