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Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by Nursie on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @03:48AM (#28454328)
Who's given up "all their civil rights" ?

That seems like a massive hyperbole.

In WA, there are no lockdowns or any real coronavirus restrictions once you're in. Looks good to me.

Might want to compare those death rates too.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by strangeattractr on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @05:28AM (#28454903)
I live in Victoria. We have certainly given up all of our freedom. Our Premier has suspended parliament and now rules by decree. Citing fabled 'health advice', which is never made public nor provided when queried, to justify anything he does. That's why we have a 9PM curfew that has done nothing to stem the spread, punitive 'alchohol must be drunk through a mask' rules and playground closures. Those were not legitimate public health measures, but punishments for Victorians risking his re-election strategy of 'beating the virus' after spending the weekend outside in the sunshine.

Police harass citizens for the crime of taking a rest on a park bench while on their 1 hour of allowed outside time per day. I have friends who have been unable to leave the country to see dying parents. I have had friends unable to travel interstate to see their dying parents. My own grandmother died in our lockdown so the last 12 months of her life were spent locked in her own home.

This is not a successful strategy, and anybody reading Australia's low deaths and case numbers need to realise this. We have myopic politicians who are suffering from an obsession with a particular metric, neglecting everything else enabled by a population of unthinking zealots who genuinely believe a single death is a policy failure.

Locking down this severely is neither clever nor demonstrates a particularly high level of consideration. It is the most blunt and basic response to the virus and it's only possible in a country of docile livestock who are content to cede every right if the person they're ceding it to promises it will make them safer from a virus, or in the case of these new national 'security' measures pedophiles or terrorists.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by Nursie on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @05:50AM (#28455008)
All of your freedoms and rights? I imagine someone will be along to arrest you for sedition shortly then?

That sounds horrendous but honestly little different to what we went through in the UK at various points in the last year and a half, and the death rates are very low in comparison.

I’m sorry for your loss.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by logicchains on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:56AM (#28457026)
Funny thing is if he'd posted this on Facebook the Victorian police could well arrest him for incitement.
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by wutbrodo on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:58AM (#28457058)
> I have friends who have been unable to leave the country to see dying parents.

Im somewhat neutral on most of Australia's restrictions: my opinion is that theyre unnecessarily draconian, and that some of them are not in accordance with pretty well-established science (1 hour of outdoor time is ludicrous).

But this is a relatively low-confidence belief, as I don't have a strong rebuttal to those championing the minimal-Covid-until-vaccinated strategy and its relative success. I wouldn't pick the same spot on the freedom/safety spectrum, but I have no basis for claiming those who do are "wrong".

But how on earth do the restriction apologists justify forbidding _leaving the country_? It has, by definition, zero safety justification. Plus, forbidding people yo leave a country is quite reasonably considered a violation of international human rights law. With respect to this specific policy, what on earth are policymakers thinking?

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by Vecr on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @08:44PM (#28464878)
If you can't leave, you can't bring the virus back. I guess.
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by wutbrodo on Thursday September 09, 2021 @10:36AM (#28470156)
Yea of course, but it's trivial to just ban returning without quarantine. This policy also has the advantage of not potentially violating international law
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by adamrezich on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @12:43PM (#28459629)
has there ever been anything remotely resembling justification for nighttime curfews? I've tried to find any reasoning for it and completely failed to do so.
Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by jlangenauer on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:17AM (#28454485)
You're not allowed to leave your state or your country with the permission of some bureaucrat, and you're claiming that you haven't given up any civil rights?

I guess no-one had given up their civil rights in East Germany, or the Soviet Union then either.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by omegabravo on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @04:33AM (#28454573)
Always so hyperbolic. The state border controls are for quarantine.

In states that have covid under control, that means filling out a form stating you're not sick. Rather sensible requirement during a pandemic

The banning of country exit visas is far far more controversial and doesn't have wide spread support. It seems okay as a sensible precaution at the start of the pandemic in order to ensure quarantine places were available for people who want to return to Australia. The fact that it's gone on so long without any real effort to find a better solution is poor government.

Border controls in Australia, are widely popular. Much like in the US.

The border controls will be removed once the country reaches a steady state of vaccination levels and things are as back to normal as they will get. All other controls have been removed immediately once they were no longer required.

This mass surveillance is far more concerning, and people constantly talking about temporary quarantine controls are muddying the waters of an important topic.

Re:Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate by foolinaround on Wednesday September 08, 2021 @09:23AM (#28456592)
> Border controls in Australia, are widely popular.

the Nazi treatment of Jews was also widely popular among the Germans at that time.