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Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by websap on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:32PM (#28447465)
> serving several thousand VODs and that problem is solved

You're kidding right? You think this problem is solved? Try using HBO.

A tech company is any company that understands it can leverage technology effectively to run a more efficient organization. They treat tech as the way to solve problems rather than throwing people at the problem.

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by jerf on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:37PM (#28447527)
It's solved by Netflix. Doesn't mean it's solved by anyone else, though there are also quite a few other companies that have it "solved" for their level of usage, even if they couldn't flip the switch tomorrow to become Netflix.

"Solved" also doesn't mean there aren't people maintaining it or working on it or getting woken up at night by pages to keep it going. It just means, they've got a handle on it and when the Netflix executive team meets to discuss the business, they aren't spending much time discussing the question of whether or not they can stream video to their customers.

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by cletus on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:54PM (#28447709)
Exactly this.

It doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. Others have pointed to UI issues, for example. It just means the state of the tech probably isn't the top of mind for the C-team and the board.

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by websap on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @08:25PM (#28451481)
Nope, there are 2 parts of this problem: 1. What do customers perceive. 2. What does it cost to run this software for Netflix - Companies are continuously trying to improve this while maintaining or improving 1.

Being done, is not what a tech company ever thinks of. Look at all the innovation coming out of Netflix as OSS products and blog posts.

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by tapoxi on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:33PM (#28447478)
Could you clarify? I subscribe to HBO Max and it works fine.
Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by cletus on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:57PM (#28447748)
I wonder if that commenter meant HBO Go? HBO tech has had an interesting history.

First came HBO Go. This was the online streaming for those with HBO as part of a standard cable package. Apparently it was built on a .Net stack and had huge problems.

HBO Now is the service created for standalone sales of streaming. Apparently it had a completely different tech stack because of issues with HBO Go. Apparently it came from the same people who did the streaming services for MLB (Major League Baseball)> In my experience it was very good.

HBO Max is the expanded and updated content ecosystem that came with the merger. I don't know what the tech stack here is. I suspect it's just incremental changes to HBO Now but that's just a guess.

Perhaps the commenter was referring to HBO Go's problems as evidence that serving VODs isn't "solved". To clarify, I mean "solved for Netflix".

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by jen20 on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @02:07PM (#28447864)
The UI of HBO Max on an Apple TV is entirely befitting of AT&T - it makes me want to watch anything else because of how bad scrolling is because they insist on using their own crapware instead of the platform-native software.
Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by mikeryan on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @10:18PM (#28452270)
Warner Bros and therefore HBO Max bought a company called You.i that built their own React Native Rendering engine for low end OTT devices I don't know if they use that engine for mobile or the native RN engines.

Last I heard their whole ecosystem is now based on this.

But if there's scrolling issues and some others, its likely because they're literally trying to run one codebase across everything including OTT devices.

https://www.youi.tv/

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by kristjansson on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @03:01PM (#28448531)
Chalk up DirectTV NOW/ATT TV/DirectTV Stream (all the same product) as a victim of that too. Scroll interactions take multiple seconds to register, click activates elements other than the one indicated as selected by the UI, just an overall shitshow.

But they’re the only OTT streamer that carries the Lakers and Dodgers channels, so alas…

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by bradknowles on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @06:30PM (#28450701)
Oh, if only I could outright kill all sports channels and sports content.

Or at least permanently hide all sports-related content on all devices I own.

I pay for the Hulu+/Disney+ combo that does not include ESPN, because I don’t want to pay for ESPN. Even if that triple combo was cheaper, I’d still pay for the combo that doesn’t include ESPN.

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by southphillyman on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @02:55PM (#28448477)
HBO Max performance seems to be platform/tv dependent. It works fine on my Ipad but is absolutely dreadful on my Samsung televisions. Super slow and crashes every single time when viewing content that is 30+ minutes.
Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by mulmen on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @02:30PM (#28448180)
This is the marketing equivalent of a leaky abstraction.
Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by websap on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @08:27PM (#28451486)
HBO Max, continuous crashes, recommendation algorithm, massive latency even above the fold, I've learned the failure modes and I know how to fix this.

This in on a modern Roku TV, released 8 months ago. 0 problems like this from Netflix.

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by bumby on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:36PM (#28447521)
>any company that understands it can leverage technology effectively to run a more efficient organization.

This feels like too broad of a generalization to be a useful definition. I could make the case any hospital or logistics or <insert business here> is a tech company by this. Tech seems too ubiquitous for this to be an effective definition.

I haven't given it much thought, but maybe "a company with a business moat hinging mostly on its unique technology or ability to use technology" would be a better definition. E.g., Walmart could still be a (less) successful business without an online presence but Amazon couldn't.

Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by flerchin on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @01:36PM (#28447511)
You're kidding right? Netflix, HBO Max, Amazon Prime Instant Video, CBS All-Access, whatever, they all do basically the same thing, and the only differentiator for my parents is the content.
Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by burntoutfire on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @04:20PM (#28449382)
And bugs. Haven't encountered any in Netflix yet, while HBO Go's are annoying.
Re:Netflix is not a tech company (2019) by tomrod on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @02:24PM (#28448090)
And UI and price.