Re:A generation of American men give up on college
by adamrezich on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @03:26AM
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"societal unacceptability" is only one factor. personal choice is another. there's no reason to assume that gender disparities in a given field or trade are solely the result of the existence of the former.
Re:A generation of American men give up on college
by temp10298385 on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @11:45AM
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I’m in agreement here.
Re:A generation of American men give up on college
by spaceflunky on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @10:26AM
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You’re just infantilizing women by blaming every outcome on “society”. I fully believe women are capable of making their own decisions and there’s no “cabal of men” holding them back from unclogging toilets.
Re:A generation of American men give up on college
by temp10298385 on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @11:44AM
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I would argue that I’m neither infantilizing women nor blaming every outcome on society. I never mentioned a cabal of men. It seems you are reading in many themes that are not present in my comment.
I believe that norms shape behaviour, that is the extent of my claim.
Re:A generation of American men give up on college
by CountDrewku on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @09:30AM
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It's socially unacceptable for a lot of men to be in trades as well, especially if you factor in family background. Let me know what school promotes trades as a good alternative to traditional education? It's almost always looked at as the options for "stupid" people. I don't think your anecdote holds up at all. It seems fare more likely that women in general just do not want physical labor jobs.
Re:A generation of American men give up on college
by temp10298385 on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @11:49AM
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I don’t know what anecdote you are referring to, I did not mention one. I did not even make a statement of agreement or disagreement with the original comment. I just pointed out that I did not see a logical inconsistency.
As for your claim that higher class males avoid trades: yes of course. That is actually a great example of what I mean. People factor in social norms in their decision making, be it male or female.
Few female applicants to trade schools is consistent with the original statement. If it is societally unacceptable for a woman to be a plumber then I would expect women to act as any rational agent and factor this in when planning their future career.