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Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by istingray on Sunday September 05, 2021 @07:31PM (#28428761)
Too bad, figure out a way to solve for it. I'm paying for private email service, not a pretty picture of the Swiss Alps on their website.

If they don't provide it, someone else will, and I'll pay them instead. This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email.

Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by goatsi on Sunday September 05, 2021 @08:40PM (#28429145)
>This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email.

Protonmail does offer a free tier, which is the problem. I'm sure they would be happy to take a payment instead, as the whole point of phone verification is to impose a cost on account creation. Perhaps they can rework their account registration flow to offer the ability to upgrade to a paid account at the verification step.

Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by fishtacos on Sunday September 05, 2021 @09:39PM (#28429420)
If you're upgrading to a paid account, isn't that even worse than the initial step in terms of anonymity? I get that they need to make money to survive, but this requirement isn't displaced by e2ee - it provides a misleading and false sense of security.

Anonymity toward state actors is compromised in either situation, whether phone verification or payment validation.

Doubt I'm the only one who thinks this, but the value proposition of their service is cancelled by their stated terms, which at least they make available. I have similar doubts about the veracity of claims by VPN providers (including mine) in terms of not keeping logs.

tor remains the only usable anonymising method with a decent track record. It's a shame Protonmail discriminates against it.

Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by goatsi on Sunday September 05, 2021 @10:11PM (#28429576)
They support Bitcoin as a payment method. If you take precautions (ie use a Monero -> Bitcoin payment service over tor) I don't see it as compromising your identity.
Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by istingray on Sunday September 05, 2021 @08:51PM (#28429199)
See, I like this idea. This is the type of thinking I'm paying Protonmail for.
Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by bigiain on Sunday September 05, 2021 @08:18PM (#28429039)
> This isn't the Hotmail age where everyone expects free email.

It totally is.

I was running my own mail server for a while. The thing that finally pushed me into not bothering any more was when I looked at my logs and realised 82% of my non-spam non-marketing email was captured by google (where at least one recipient was either @gmail.com or a gsuite custom domain).

Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by LightG on Monday September 06, 2021 @05:00AM (#28431775)
So you gave up? Decided to play dead?
Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by shp0ngle on Sunday September 05, 2021 @10:49PM (#28429755)
They did figure out a way, they ask for phone number.
Re:Climate activist arrested after ProtonMail provided his I... by istingray on Monday September 06, 2021 @12:59AM (#28430436)
Nope. Figure out a way to make it anonymous or I'm out.