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Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by FiberBundle on Saturday September 04, 2021 @08:05AM (#28414332)
Well a good first step would be to accept that societal changes take time to develop. We have made huge progress in areas such as women's rights. Asian immigrants, which were severely discriminated against in the past, have achieved tremendous upward mobility in our society. There are many other areas in which our society has progressed. All of this progress has occurred without any of the radical discrimatory tactics that are used today.
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by UncleMeat on Saturday September 04, 2021 @08:17AM (#28414407)
> We have made huge progress in areas such as women's rights.

And suffragettes put bombs in mailboxes and threw their bodies under horses. 2nd wave feminists were far more "anti-man" than modern feminists (there aren't too many political lesbians nowadays). The "peaceful protest" that people recall so fondly rarely was so peaceful but is instead used as a cudgel to resist all change today by claiming that activists aren't "doing it right".

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by FiberBundle on Saturday September 04, 2021 @08:59AM (#28414689)
> And suffragettes put bombs in mailboxes and threw their bodies under horses

And you think that had a positive effect on women's suffrage?

> 2nd wave feminists were far more "anti-man" than modern feminists

Well so what? Was suppressing men an actual tactic that contributed to progress?

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by UncleMeat on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:36AM (#28414957)
The bombs in the mailboxes? Absolutely.
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by refurb on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:49AM (#28415612)
Violence rarely works politically unless you’re talking about revolution.
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by UncleMeat on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:19PM (#28416372)
In the UK, you can see a dramatic change in the response to suffrage activism after these sorts of things started. Decades of calm requests went nowhere.
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by kortilla on Saturday September 04, 2021 @06:34PM (#28419996)
No, terrorism did not work
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by UncleMeat on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:59PM (#28421080)
Votes for women.

It wasn't obtained through asking politely.

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by kortilla on Sunday September 05, 2021 @05:50AM (#28422860)
Those bombings didn’t result in votes for women at all.

> The campaign was halted at the outbreak of war in August 1914 without having brought about votes for women, as suffragettes pledged to pause their campaigning to aid the nation's war effort.

> The extent to which suffragette militancy contributed to the eventual enfranchisement of women in 1918 has been debated by historians, although the consensus of historical opinion is that the militant campaign was not effective.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_...

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by benlivengood on Saturday September 04, 2021 @10:42AM (#28415556)
> We have made huge progress in areas such as women's rights.

In the U.S. there is still a major fight for women's reproductive rights, with frequent backsliding (TX is the most extreme recent example).

> All of this progress has occurred without any of the radical discrimatory tactics that are used today.

Every step toward restoring human rights to marginalized groups has been labeled radical (because technically it is radical compared to the status quo) and must come at the expense of some privilege that others hold. Privilege, however, is not a human right and therefore not something inherently worthy of protection.

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by zdragnar on Saturday September 04, 2021 @12:27PM (#28416430)
That isn't about women's rights. One side argues it is about womens rights, that abortion is merely a medical procedure.

The other side argues that the fetus (usually called "unborn") have independent heartbeats and unique DNA, and as such have their own right to life. That is why they use the term "pro-life".

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by pengstrom on Saturday September 04, 2021 @02:04PM (#28417513)
If it really were about children's rights, then they would also be all for supporting families economically and putting resources into education. But they do not. The most probable explanation is still control over female reproduction.
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by angelzen on Saturday September 04, 2021 @03:05PM (#28418076)
This conversation could be a whole lot less acrimonious if we were to acknowledge the core conservative position: the intact nuclear family is the primary locus of children's rights.
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by zdragnar on Saturday September 04, 2021 @04:11PM (#28418636)
Why bother trying to understand your opponents position in good faith when it is so much faster and satisfying to just slander them?

This seems to be the crux of our entire political situation as a country (has been for awhile, though certainly feels amplified the past 15 years).

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by kortilla on Saturday September 04, 2021 @06:37PM (#28420020)
“If you were really against murder, you would support more money going to schools.”
Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by zdragnar on Saturday September 04, 2021 @04:17PM (#28418694)
Because that represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the conservatives' view of what a "right" is. Social welfare programs are a necessary intrusion upon the rights of the taxpayers to the fruit of their labor, and the specific balance that they have chosen isn't to your liking.

Ask, talk to, or overhear any of the people in texas who support the bill, and not one of them will give a damn about, or even consider as an issue, "control over female reproduction". That is your concern, not theirs.