How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by konogasa on Saturday September 04, 2021 @07:20AM (#28414078)

I'm trans and I'd be fine with it and I think of the arguments that it's transphobic as misguided at best, malicious at worst. There seems to be a vocal contigent of transwomen who identify as lesbians who try to argue that a lesbian who is not trans and doesn't want to have sex with a transwoman (even one with male genitalia) is transphobic. This sounds to me like a kind of very, very bad pickup line.

On the other hand, I'd like to know what the OP, shtps, would think if they dated a transwoman without knowing she was trans and later found out about it. People have committed violent crimes because they didn't know, or at least claimed they didn't know as a defense.

So there is something there that needs clearing up. If you're attracted to someone and then later find something about them and decide you're not attracted to them after all, that's not the fault of the person you initially found atttractive. Agreed?

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Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by shtps on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:07AM (#28414758)

I want to start a family in the traditional sense like my parents and grandparents have done before me, so I would be disappointed to find out I was dating a transwoman. Similarly I'd be disappointed to find out if a woman didn't want children or wanted to live a lifestyle incompatible with my own. It isn't going to work out and I'd have to ultimately call it off.

It's not about 'who's at fault' really. It will sooner or later come up and it is better sooner than later for both parties. If I'm dating a woman and she doesn't mention that she already has children, which is a big deal for me, then we're both just wasting our times because that's something I can't compromise on.

I don't know why this even needs to be stated, but violence is not an option in either of these cases.

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Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by howinteresting on Saturday September 04, 2021 @02:25PM (#28417712)

If you have these preferences then the onus is on you to disclose them. As long as you say "I would like to be in a relationship with someone who can have children with me" on your first date, and not discriminate between e.g. trans women and cis women who can't give birth, it's ok.

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Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by shtps on Sunday September 05, 2021 @01:32PM (#28426024)

I have no problems with disclosing that.

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Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by konogasa on Saturday September 04, 2021 @01:25PM (#28417020)

I'm a little bit confused. At first you talked about "dating" someone, now you're talking about starting a family. These seem to be different, not necessarily mutually exclusive, but not necessarily identical, goals. Can you explain?

It needs to be stated that violence is not an option because many times violence has been used against trans women and the defense of the perpetrator was "I didn't know she was trans".

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Re:How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to ev... by shtps on Sunday September 05, 2021 @03:24PM (#28426989)

Sure. Dating is essentially the way we assess a suitable potential partner. The end goal in (hetero) dating essentially boils down to starting a family and this is also implied and assumed unless stated otherwise.

I guess nowadays people also informally call "having casual sex" dating. I'm also not sexually attracted to trans women if that's what you're getting at. We would not even be able to have sex.

Ok, we're on the same page regarding the violence.

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