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Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by goldenkey on Friday September 03, 2021 @09:56PM (#28411408)
Once on a trip, I realized that the mushroom of our zeitgeist, the Alice in Wonderland / Mario mushroom, Amanita Muscaria [1], when spoken, sounds a lot like "A man eater must scare ya"

And to me, this universe is (at least metaphorically) a man eater, and it constantly has reminders for us [2]. And if you subscribe to any sort of notion of morality, it seems like the things that do scare us, like regret, do make us live our lives in better ways.

Most people are afraid of psychedelics because even those of us who do them, find them to be jarring. They show us the shitty things we've done, who we really are, and how we really think subconsciously. They wake us up from the slog of our usual comfortable lives. The motivational speakers of time and time again have always said that comfort is the enemy. I find this is why even near death experiences are life-renewing. Anything that makes us afraid, reminds us how short our lives are, and how important every detail, every moment, every butterfly effect is. So the man eater must scare us, if it is to help us do what is expedient.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by DonHopkins on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:17AM (#28413461)
Wow, man... Did you ever notice how "In a Gadda Da Vida" sounds a lot like "In The Garden of Eden"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulDC1w1ydLI&ab_channel=ErinS...

If I withhold the truth I will go straight to hell where I will eat not but burning hot coals and drink not but burning hot cola. Where fiery demons will punch me in the back. Where my soul will be chopped into confetti and strewn upon a parade of murderers and single mothers. Where my tongue will be torn out by ravenous birds.

Edit: I'm not mocking you: I just SWORE TO GOD that I was telling the truth! How much more sincerity and evidence do you want from me? A Wikipedia citation? ;)

>When the inebriated Ingle then played the song for Bushy, who wrote down the lyrics for him, he was slurring his words so badly that what was supposed to be "in the Garden of Eden" was interpreted by Bushy as "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida".[11][12]

[11] Dave Thompson (2014). Iron Butterfly: Live at the Galaxy 1967 (Liner notes). Purple Pyramid Records.

[12] "Top 10 Drum Solos of All Time". Catalogs.com. October 24, 2011. Retrieved June 6, 2017.

https://www.catalogs.com/library/top-10-drum-solos-of-all-ti...

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by goldenkey on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:40AM (#28413572)
I know you are mocking me but the funny part is that the Simpsons itself is very allegorical. Sim ~ Simulation, and Springfield, Illinois ~ Spring Field, Ill-in-Noise.

Spacetime is a springy substrate filled with quantum noise :-)

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by pvaldes on Saturday September 04, 2021 @09:36AM (#28414958)
And this is why the knowledge provided by psychedelics has a lot of hype, but is useless and deceptive.

Muscaria is a latin name, not english, so ideally should be pronounced respecting how the taxonomist used it instead to mess with the sounds for no purpose apart of introducing a lot of noise to distort a language that was created to be universal.

Muscaria means relative to flies (musca in latin). Musca should be pronounced as moos (like in moon) and ca (like in California). Not like 'must scare'.

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by filoeleven on Sunday September 05, 2021 @11:59AM (#28425284)
Latin’s a dead language and was not certainly created to be universal. Pronounce it however you want; if people know what you mean then the goal is achieved.

Regarding descriptive species names, I present the following:

Han solo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_(trilobite)

Spongiforma squarepantsii (please tell us the proper Latin pronunciation for this one)

Heerz lukenatcha / Heerz tooya (what do these describe, without looking them up?)

And finally, plants named after people, letters A-C. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_plant_genera_named_f...

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by pvaldes on Monday September 06, 2021 @10:59AM (#28434323)
> Latin was not certainly created to be universal.

I'm talking about the binomial system of classification that definitely was created to be universal

> Pronounce however you want.

And then it stops being universally understood and we can't use anymore to communicate except as a written language. Can you see the problem?

Spongiforma is a straightforward name to pronounce in fact.

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by filoeleven on Monday September 06, 2021 @01:29PM (#28435965)
> I'm talking about the binomial system of classification that definitely was created to be universal

Fair point, I misunderstood. This is quite salient when talking about fungi and plants, where different species can share common names but which have different chemical properties, perhaps including edibility. Yes, the taxonomic identifiers are important.

> Can you see the problem?

No. The variations in how people speak these names do not tend to diverge much more significantly than word pronunciations with different regional accents. “Funj-eye” vs “fun-guy” vs “fun-jee” vs “fun-geeh” are all readily understood as the same thing. The same goes for “seye-loss-eye-bee” and “sill-o-sibe”.

> Spongiforma is a straightforward name to pronounce in fact.

I was more focused on learning the proper Latin pronunciation of “squarepantsii”. Should it not be “squa-ray-“ instead of the cognate “square-”? Doesn’t adding cognates throw the whole thing off?

I have never heard “Cordyceps” pronounced with a hard C in the second position, nor any hard Cs pronounced in “Cetacea”, even though Latin rules have no soft C. So the Latin pronunciation rules are already not strictly followed by most in the field and have not been for many decades, and the quest to keep the Kæsar’s Latin is quixotic.

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by pvaldes on Tuesday September 07, 2021 @12:57PM (#28447056)
> I have never heard “Cordyceps” pronounced with a hard C in the second position, nor any hard Cs pronounced in “Cetacea

You just need to travel more then. Millions of people pronounce it exactly like that, including me. Cetacea, Cordiceps; one character, one sound. The easy, old and reliable way to do it that worked really, really well for 200 years.

Scientific language uses basically Greek and Latin, but also other languages and names of famous people. There are specific exceptions for this cases.

Believe it or not, Squarepantsii is a latin name.

Is a collage of english names of course, BUT the final ii is not english; It cames directly from latin, so is a "neolatinism". A new name latinised (Built using latin grammar rules). Therefore should be pronounced as any other latin word. It has 13 sounds.

If we think about it, Latin is a dead language that is "so dead" that is still growing and including new words. And of course there is still people alive that speak it routinely (In the Vatican, for example).

I'm aware that this is not a popular opinion, but the anglosphere is just doing simple things much more difficult for everybody (including them), and shooting themselves in the foot. To remember the scientific names [1] is much more difficult for them than for us.

[1] (i.e Metasequoia glyptostroboides, yep, easy. Just a couple of traps here. Everything else is clear and obvious)

Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by goldenkey on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:51PM (#28419628)
I appreciate the information. You're missing the point though. The species being of latin origin is irrelevant. Synchronicity is acausal. The connection is relevant, not a shared cause.
Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by Optimal_Persona on Saturday September 04, 2021 @03:18AM (#28412848)
Yes, and Ellis Dee asked: "Has anyone seen the Silly Sigh Bin?"
Re:The fungal mind: on the evidence for mushroom intelligence by goldenkey on Saturday September 04, 2021 @05:18AM (#28413466)
And the HNer replied "How dare you mock my anti mystical view of the world?!!" and proceeded to slap the downvote button so hard that their mouse exploded into a poof of dark smoke!

Once the smoke cleared, the HNer realized their screen was also black. They hastily smacked their computer's power button, quickly realizing it had also died. A sickly black billowy puff of smoke then emanated from their once neon-lit PC case. They thought of that dumb joke from grade school about being punched so hard that their grandma felt it. Had they really done that to their PC by hitting their mouse so hard? "Impossible!" they thought, "Coincidences are ALWAYS just improbable events!"

All of a sudden the PC speaker inside the case started rattling. Then a voice echoed from it: "You kicked the Llama's ass!"

The HNer fell down on their knees. They couldn't believe that a Winamp loving entity ruled the universe. Was life a musical thing? "Things will never be the same." they muttered angrily as they downvoted yet another post by /u/carljung via their iPhone 47 Pro Max Plus Platinum Collector's Edition.