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Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by rayiner on Friday September 03, 2021 @09:13AM (#28403719)
I don’t even support the Republican view of limited government here! I think it amounts to “we’re not going to do anything to remedy centuries of slavery and segregation.” I’d support reparations for ADOS people.

But I don’t see any reason to misrepresent the Republican stance. That position is not opposition to civil rights laws, it’s opposition to affirmative action and quotas, and cabining the concept of “racism” to what’s facially discriminatory.

What drives race politics in the country is that Democrats have a special sympathy for Black people and want to help erase persistent disparities, and Republicans don’t care. Democrats want to change existing race-neutral systems to eliminate disparities, and Republicans resist such change. But Republicans as a group don’t want to make it legal for e.g. hotels to discriminate based on race.

See: https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/renos/files/carneyenos.pdf

> We suggest that modern racism scales are primarily capturing two phenomenon: 1) racial liberalism or sympathy and 2) a general set of attitudes about fairness, or a political orientation known as “just world belief” that perceives the world as consisting of people who work hard and those who do not.

See also: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/americas-wh...

> Remarkably, white liberals were the only subgroup exhibiting a pro-outgroup bias—meaning white liberals were more favorable toward nonwhites and are the only group to show this preference for group other than their own.

It’s just the normal liberal versus conservative stuff. Social engineering versus letting natural forces play out. Focus on substantive fairness versus focus on procedural fairness. Focus on government as driving outcomes versus focus on culture driving outcomes. External locus of control versus internal locus of control. Etc.

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by tptacek on Friday September 03, 2021 @06:57PM (#28410375)
This all seems reasonable! All I'm pushing back on is the idea that you could draw a conclusion from votes on the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Obviously, you can't.
Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by random314 on Saturday September 04, 2021 @04:47AM (#28413308)
I would say that the tabletmag attack piece shared by rayiner is absolutely not reasonable.

It does not really say what is wrong with white liberals but simply shames them and aims to make white liberals seem ridiculous. The repeated use of the term "wokeness" for a liberal attitude is also a key part of the shaming strategy.

The substance of the shaming seems to boil down to three points.

1. White liberals support affirmative action and reparations

2. White liberals are positive about immigration

3. White liberals are more supportive of Palestine than Israel unlike before (anti colonialism and anti apartheid are obvious reasons)

Why should white liberals be ashamed of this attitude?! These are the insinuated reasons in the article.

1. We will call this "wokeness" and laugh at your ridiculousness

2. Oh you have a white savior complex? Hilarious.

3. Umm, do you know that colored liberals are not as liberal as you?

4. Isn't being pro Palestine anti Semitic?

5. You do know that white liberals supported Israel 10 years ago, right?

Rayiner sharing this hit piece, complaining about wokeness in the midst of Republican authored antivax epidemic is par for the course for him. But the audience cant allow him to make multiple cheap shots every day in the interest of sounding reasonable and accommodative. I would like to see him offer one comment of the crazy antivax Republican leadership killing hundreds every day instead of some cheap shots about wokeness, liberals and school administrators.

Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by tptacek on Saturday September 04, 2021 @07:16PM (#28420265)
I don't think personalized comments like this are helpful, either to the site or to the argument you're trying to make.
Re:White House Launches US Digital Corps by random314 on Sunday September 05, 2021 @04:12AM (#28422436)
The personalized comments while relevant are very few, but the substance of the comment is a critique of the tabletmag article and the introduction of the term "wokeness" across several media outlets to shame any kind of liberal POV. The POV being thrust is "Today's liberals are idiotic trend chasers unlike liberals of the civil rights era". Liberals were ridiculed in the 60s as well and it is no different this time.

The particular example of rayiner compelling you to implicitly accept that "wokeness" is degrading society is the kind of Gish Gallop rhetoric that gets churned out in supposedly "intellectual" forums. A way of pushing the Overton window to the right in the more educated and wealthier forums beyond rural America.