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Re:Wikipedia Is Trying to Transcend the Limits of Human Lang... by traceroute66 on Friday September 03, 2021 @06:34AM (#28402474)
> "facts" vs "opinions" coded into the abstract version

Tell me. Who gets to decide what is a "fact" and what is an "opinion".

An Israeli and a Palestinian would give you a different answer, just as one example.

Re:Wikipedia Is Trying to Transcend the Limits of Human Lang... by xvedejas on Friday September 03, 2021 @06:43AM (#28402520)
"The official Israeli position is X and the official Palestinian version is Y" might be one factual way to state opinions. You can choose exactly how much should be decided as "fact".
Re:Wikipedia Is Trying to Transcend the Limits of Human Lang... by bloak on Friday September 03, 2021 @07:00AM (#28402618)
Not disagreeing with you so much as taking it a bit further ...

It would be highly controversial to claim that any organisation has a valid mandate to represent the Palestinians. Meanwhile, the Israeli government, in order to avoid angering a significant part of the their electorate, cannot offer a firm opinion on certain questions, such as where the borders of Israel are. And everyone's very fond of "stategic ambiguity" and "plausible deniability" and all that stuff.

So your facts end up being something like: News outlet N claimed at time T1 that person P, claiming to represent organisation X, stated at time T2 something that can be accurately translated into language L as: ...

Re:Wikipedia Is Trying to Transcend the Limits of Human Lang... by silicon2401 on Friday September 03, 2021 @09:14AM (#28403740)
> So your facts end up being something like: News outlet N claimed at time T1 that person P, claiming to represent organisation X, stated at time T2 something that can be accurately translated into language L as: ...

That's good. Wikipedia already discourages "weasel words" and things like that, so adding specificity and information provenance would be a bonus.

Re:Wikipedia Is Trying to Transcend the Limits of Human Lang... by femto on Friday September 03, 2021 @06:40AM (#28402505)
In that case Israeli/Palestinian would be an input to the function?