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Re:The universe has already made almost all the stars it wil... by NateEag on Thursday September 02, 2021 @01:41PM (#28395033)
Okay, you're right - I can use any basis I want.

There's no shared basis I can legitimately use to argue with them, though, if they don't happen to share my chosen values.

Re:The universe has already made almost all the stars it wil... by salt-thrower on Thursday September 02, 2021 @02:54PM (#28395881)
That is true. You can't debate everyone on an even playing field, because not everyone has the same baseline views of morality and reason.

More and more, I have come to think that debates are better for convincing undecided bystanders than convincing the other person you're debating with. At least for arguments or debates held online or in a public space.

One-on-one you might be able to show someone a new value system if they're willing to sit down and talk about it, though.