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Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by fsflover on Thursday September 02, 2021 @06:09AM (#28390327)
> 100% Open Source

> Open source allows verifying absence of backdoors.

Are all drivers and firmware open-source?

Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by kop316 on Thursday September 02, 2021 @06:54AM (#28390555)
There is no way this thing is %100 open source. Last time I built a full AOSP from scratch, I found out:

- VoLTE and SMS over LTE is a proprietary library.

- WiFi calling is a proprietary library.

- the Vendor partition is entirely proprietary, and at least for the Pixel, is different depending on if you use the AOSP version or the stock Google Version.

- For the Pixel 3a, you cannot even POST the phone without adding a proprietary library! I would be shocked if it's different for the Pixel 4.

I know for a fact that you cannot even boot a Pixel 3a without adding proprietary libraries.

If the reader is curious, feel free to look here and try it for yourself:

https://wiki.lineageos.org/extracting_blobs_from_zips.html

https://grapheneos.org/build#extracting-vendor-files-for-pix...

In my opinion, if Nitrokey was at all serious about making this 100% open source and secure, they would help mainline the kernel for it.

Edit: https://social.nitrokey.com/@nitrokey/106861801899442589

Its not 100% open source.

Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by fsflover on Thursday September 02, 2021 @08:57AM (#28391493)
Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by kop316 on Thursday September 02, 2021 @01:08PM (#28394595)
Yeah, that was after I poked at them a few times to ask what "100%" even meant.
Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by nicce on Thursday September 02, 2021 @06:18AM (#28390370)
Also, are they using reproducible builds? Because without that, there is no quarantee that the same code is in the device. Unless I can build same binaries and verify output binaries cryptographically to be the same.
Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by fragileone on Thursday September 02, 2021 @06:51AM (#28390537)
Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by Gargyle on Thursday September 02, 2021 @06:44AM (#28390494)
Graphene offers to be reproducible. Haven't reproduced them myself. Gonna test in n time units.
Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by 3r8Oltr0ziouVDM on Thursday September 02, 2021 @06:19AM (#28390377)
No. It's a Pixel phone, the hardware is not open.
Re:NitroPhone – Pixel 4a phone with GrapheneOS by lucideer on Thursday September 02, 2021 @06:18AM (#28390368)
Given the level of detail in the post that seems highly unlikely. They seem to be heavily reliant on the Graphene community for their creds.